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Inspector Chingum

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Fails WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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S.A.L.E.M.: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters

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Work itself does not appear to meet WP:GNG and WP:N. Sourcing, aside from primary sources such as tweets and youtube discussions, are mainly interviews and discuss the author far more than the work itself. Artist is possibly notable, however this doesn't seem to quite meet the notability bar. Mdann52 (talk) 09:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Swampy Marsh: for now? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The sourcing for this page is strong enough to keep, so for now I'm going to say weak keep. But, if it comes down to it, I'd be fine turning it into a redirect to Swampy Marsh, but... deleting this page outright would be a disservice to those who worked on the page, so a redirect would be my second choice. Historyday01 (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I think a redirect or draftify (in case anything further comes of this) is also a good outcome here, unfortunately I was struggling to find another article to redirect this to. It may be a case of WP:TOOSOON, and further sourcing will emerge later on if work/release dates re-emerge. Mdann52 (talk) 14:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I can agree, that's why I stand by saying weak keep and redirect at the present time. I personally do NOT trust the draft process entirely (its too easy for a good article to be held up there, and the draft process is really for Wikipedia beginners to be perfectly honest) and would much rather it become a redirect rather than a draft, if that is the choice. Historyday01 (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Historyday01 you appear to be the primary author and maintainer of this article. In fact, perusing the history I don't see that anyone BUT you has contributed substantially to the article--everyone else appears to be cleaning/polishing your work. You don't mention this, nor that one of your added sources was previously removed as promotional. Rather, you refer to yourself obliquely in the third person those who worked on the page which also smacks of attempts to conceal your relationship to this article. To put it bluntly, your work on this article may well be that of an overenthusiastic hobbyist, but it also looks distinctly like COI or UPE. Can you confirm that you have no specific relationship, financial or otherwise, with the project or its contributors? Jclemens (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, you are correct that I am "the primary author and maintainer of this article", and surely I'm the main contributor, I won't deny. If one of my added sources was removed for being promotional, that's my error for not knowing it was promotional. I'm not referring to myself in the third person here, but I was trying to be inclusive of ALL the people who have contributed to this, including myself.

I'm no "overenthusiastic hobbyist" or anything like that, I just felt this subject should have an article. In response to your question ("Can you confirm that you have no specific relationship, financial or otherwise, with the project or its contributors?"), no, I do NOT have any special relationship with the project, not at all. In fact, I have tried to keep up with what is going on with the project but there haven't been many updates. This is why I personally support a weak keep or redirect (second option).

I have attempted to improve the page over the years... It happens sometimes that a single person works on the page. I would LOVE if more people worked on the page, but sadly that has not happened. I made the page years ago when I had more time, but nowadays I don't have as much time to do Wikipedia edits. I could have surely done better with the page, but I suppose this AfD was inevitable to some degree, I just would like the text to be preserved in the event that this series DOES premiere, it can be brought back at that point. Historyday01 (talk) 16:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Historyday01 My point about draftifying was to save the article to an extent - I would expect it to be redirected and draftified (or at the very least, I would add a redirect in should it be deleted given we have a valid target identified). This isn't me trying to downplay the effort or work that has gone into it - unfortunately often AfD is the best way to gain a consensus for such things. I agree that the draft/AfC process is broken to an extent, but you don't have to use that process. Mdann52 (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Sadly, I have to agree. I've seen some AfDs go off the rails before and be totally worthless, including some calling for an article to be deleted and then doing nothing to help improve the article after the AfD ended, which is a bit depressing. The opinions of SOME people in this discussion (not you) is damaging my confidence to create future articles, as their comments are a bit harsh and pointed. Honestly, this article definitely needed to be examined again, so in that sense, this AfD is worthwhile, although I can't, in good conscience, support deletion of an article which I've been a been a big contributor in, because that would make me too sad.Historyday01 (talk) 17:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as promotional and NN. This Wikipedia article is serving as promotion for a "project" that started "development" in 2018. It's not there, it's not going to be there, and the refbombing with press releases, interviews in NN niche publications, and tweets reeks of G11. I note nothing since 2022 in the article. Jclemens (talk) 16:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Its not a promotion for the project and the fact you would say that (and wrongly accuse me of having some sort of connection to those who created this series) is deeply unfortunate, especially coming from someone who boasts about saving articles on your user page. I guess this article doesn't matter to you. Simply put, if you really wanted to improve it, then why haven't you done any edits on it? I mean, you could have done something to improve it since it was created. I detest nothing more than editors who don't put in the work to improve articles (it seems you have in other articles, but unless I missed something, I don't see any edits from you on this article). As I've said in many AfD discussions, deletion is not a solution for cleanup of articles. I'm guessing NN means "non-notable" which I have to dispute. As I said above, I support a "weak keep" or "redirect" at this present time, and I will NOT be changing that view. If it really comes down to it, I would support this becoming either a redirect and/or a sentence or two about it at Jeff "Swampy" Marsh#Career after Phineas and Ferb and reviving the show (there's two good sources which show his involvement). If so, the mention of the series on Swampy Marsh's page could be:

"In 2019, Marsh was described as the executive producer and voice director of S.A.L.E.M.: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters, with his company, Surfer Jack Productions, producing the series. The series is created by a queer woman named Samantha "Sam" Sawyer, based on her unpublished comic of the same name.

It could be of interest to those who follow Marsh to mention this. If this text was added, then the article could be changed to a redirect, and then that redirect link could be changed to Jeff "Swampy" Marsh#Career after Phineas and Ferb and reviving the show. I've seen some other articles which have done this, so it wouldn't be completely out of the question. I had been roughly planning to add the series to the List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present for a while, but ended up removing it, and mentioning it here. Anyway, your comment could be worded in a much less harsh way. If I was a new editor and I had gotten a comment like that, I would be discouraged from creating ANY new articles. Luckily, I'm not one of those people, but the tone of your comment needs to be MUCH better and more constructive, than trying to (as it looks to me) tear people down.Historyday01 (talk) 17:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for asserting that you have no financial or other interest in keeping this article or promoting this potential series. I accept your statement, but note that the binary alternative, that you are an overenthusiastic hobbyist, isn't a bad thing in comparison. We're all allowed to have the things that we see more value in than other people do.

As such, no one is asking you to change your !vote. That'd be a bit totalitarian at best: You're entitled to want something saved that isn't ready for Wikipedia, as I maintain that this is not.

Having said that, I'd encourage you to not take this too personally. I know that's hard to do when someone is calling your "baby" ugly... but sometimes a baby is just ugly. In this case, you appear to have put together the best article reasonably possible on this not-media, but it's just not sufficient. Really, you have interviews and coverage of the people involved, but nothing that states this would come close to meeting WP:NFF or similar guideline. Go read up on that, and understand that if we had articles on every single project that's been stuck in development hell, we'd be awash in them. There's nothing to draftify, because there is no evidence it is going anywhere in the foreseeable future. I'm sorry, but that's reality as best I can see it. Jclemens (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Does appear PROMO. Article is solely sourced to tweets, podcasts and non-RS. I don't find anything about this "upcoming" webseries that's been coming since 2018. If nothing has been written about it by now, I'm sure what notability we have left to find. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  As I said elsewhere in this discussion, this article is not promotional and it is incorrect to say it is so. The fact it is not as well sourced as it could have been is my fault. I wish someone (literally anyone) had brought these issues to my attention a year or so ago, as I would have done something about it, as the article's main contributor, rather than getting these comments in an AfD, which is the worst nightmare for an article creator. The fact that this AfD is happening at all is a failure of the Wikipedia system, as it could have been avoided with a discussion on the article's talk page. I would have been happy to discuss it there, but having an article in an AfD is very nerve-wracking and stressful. The article shouldn't be deleted outright, but should be changed, at minimum, to a redirect, or possibly, a weak keep. It is unfortunate that you support a deletion rather than a redirect, and I would hope that you change your view on that. Some series have BAD promotion, so that should be kept in mind. Otherwise, your comment is very harsh and should be much better worded, as the tone is VERY negative. If I was a new editor and I got this, I would not want to make any new articles ever again. --Historyday01 (talk) 17:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Promotional can be as simple as being listed higher up in search results; having an article here does help with Search engine optimization. This is not meant to be "mean" as I've discussed the facts here and please do not take it as such. You are certainly entitled to your !vote above, but I've reviewed what we have and don't feel either a redirect or a week keep would help in this case. If you are the article creator, please understand that you do not "own" the article, it's part of the wiki community and we all have a part to play in building a better encyclopedia. Oaktree b (talk) 20:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Chumbak TV

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Fails WP:GNG; written like a TV guide. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 20:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, most of the series are acquired. Imsaneikigai (talk)
• Redirect to Shemaroo Entertainment#TV Channels -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Shemaroo_Entertainment#TV_Channels. Fails WP:GNG and indepth coverage in the sources. RangersRus (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Shemaroo TV

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Fails WP:GNG; written like a TV guide. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Shemaroo Entertainment#TV Channels: Not really opposed to keep. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV Imsaneikigai (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Shemaroo_Entertainment#TV_Channels. Same as nomination for Chumbak TV, fails WP:GNG and no coverage in the sources to warrant a standalone page on this channel. RangersRus (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

KPDF-CD

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 17:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.: Even the ex-Una Vez Más stations seem to have the lack of notability and significant coverage shared by many of the other eventual HC2/Innovate stations. Beyond the 2007 at-least-plans for a local newscast, the overall history is the usual parade of national services of many an unremarkable LPTV. That said, its absence from the bulk nomination of many HC2/Innovate station articles might hint at something being out there… but this isn't the article's first nomination either, as it survived Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KPDF-CA in 2006, a time of far looser inclusion standards in this topic area than today (but in hindsight, the lone "delete" in that discussion's rejection of the "FCC license means notable" consensus of the era might actually be more in line with the GNG-based standards that followed this 2021 RfC, and have taken more hold over the past year or so). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Nail Polish (TV serial)

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Appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:NTV. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: I couldn't even find ROTM coverage, much less sig/in-depth coverage. Saqib (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to A-Plus_TV#Drama_serials: with a source like this (https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment/if-you-liked-nail-polish-here-is-watchlist-of-other-gripping-courtroom-dramas/?amp=1) for example. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Angrezi Mein Kehte Hain

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Appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:NTV. Tagged for notability since 2020 DonaldD23 talk to me 13:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to BIG_Synergy#Fiction_shows. RangersRus (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to BIG_Synergy#Fiction_shows yes. Note: again, inviting all future noms of programs with coverage for verification but uncertain notability to redirect them boldly without nominating for deletion. It's easily undone and, in that case, if issues are still apparent, Afd remains an option. It will save time to many of us. Thanks.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Baddua

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 13:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Created by Qwef1234 - a sock of UPE farm. Fails WP:GNG! Saqib (talk) 13:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_ARY_Digital#Drama_series: Not opposed to keep (coverage, including reviews (HIP, Galaxy Lollywood). Note: I am inviting future nominators of such pages to directly redirect them to director/writer/list of programs if notability is challenged and they are sure the sources are not sufficient. It will save everyone considerable time. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The InnerView

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Not yet notable per WP:GNG, or WP:NTV (which is an essay, not a policy). I've hunted around for a few days now for some independent, secondary sources about this show, assuming that a show on the state public broadcasting network TRT World with such wide geographical coverage would have some decent reviews etc in reliable sources, but all I can find is more or less what's here: passing mentions of the show, in articles about the subjects of the interview. 73 of the 84 sources cited so far are from the show's own YouTube channel. Its chief claim to notability is the many notable people who have been interviewed on the show, but on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. Article creator is a single-purpose account, and no response yet at their user talk page about potential conflict of interest. Wikishovel (talk) 09:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Imran Garda -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge into Imran Garda. article is not notable (per WP:GNG), has no WP:SIGCOV, and cites some rather strange/primary sources. Noelle!!! (summon a demon or read smth) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

the article would be better off as a section in Imran Garda. Noelle!!! (summon a demon or read smth) 16:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Brian Andrews (actor)

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Brian Andrews (actor) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Working actor, reasonable career, but I couldn't find sources available to confirm he meets WP:NACTOR / WP:GNG. Lots of mentions on less reliable sites/blogs. Weak keep in 2006 when our standards were much lower. Boleyn (talk) 07:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: One quite notable role and some mildly notable ones have him meet WP:NACTOR, which is the applicable guideline. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC) PS- Added various sources and think the subject also meets WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple reliable sources addressing the subject in depth and directly....:D

Malli Nindu Jabili

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Only a single source is TOI which only verifies an actor's role in the series. A WP:BEFORE found references to verify it exists, but no significant coverage to establish notability. CNMall41 (talk) 04:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Star_Maa#Drama_series: Not opposed to keep (https://indiantvinfo.com/star-maa-serial-latest-trp/ and Telugu WP page indicate non-negligible audiences) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Star_Maa#Drama_series. Fails notability. RangersRus (talk) 14:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Programme level

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Ambiguous term, unsourced and I found it difficult to find good sources to add. Boleyn (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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WTAM-LD

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Fails WP:GNG; some references are outdated. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 07:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.: A history (which, despite what the article implies, actually goes back to the early 1990s, albeit with the license history being severed via a digital companion channel) of mostly national services isn't the path to significant coverage, even before HC2/Innovate took over. There may well be something out there (as best I can tell this is actually this article's first deletion nomination — it wasn't part of that bulk nomination of many other HC2/Innovate station articles), but as currently written this is another remnant of the far looser inclusion standards of 2006. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• There is a second St. Pete Times article on WTAM ([1] + [2]). The station history appears to run like this. Owners in the 90s included Carol E. Schatz and Equity Broadcasting Corporation's Kaleidoscope channel (it was W06BE on channel 6 before becoming WTAM). It was sold to US Interactive LLC, which wanted to (and probably did) use the station in wireless internet testing. It gets sold to Lotus (both of these are similar to KPHE-LD Phoenix) and goes Spanish, though attempt number one fails. I just wish we had more to go on. A third solid reference in local media would have me keeping this, but a redirect might suffice. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Alhaqeqa Aldawlia

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Satellite TV channel based in Jordan that fails WP:NCORP. No independent secondary sourcing at all that I can find; the sources in the article are either database sources (Lyngsat, Jordanian government databases) excluded for notability by WP:ORGCRIT or fail verification entirely. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment. The editor who created this article has declared a conflict of interest with this subject so we must be especially vigilant to validate notability here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Beverley Lyons

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a journalist, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for journalists. As always, journalists are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to have third-party coverage and analysis about them and the impact of their work in reliable sources other than their own employers -- but the sole reference cited here is from her own employer at the time, and thus isn't independent of her for the purposes of building notability, and the article has been tagged for needing more sourcing since 2010 without improvement.
In addition, the whole thing is written very much like somebody did a thinly veiled rewrite of her own staff profile from an employer rather than a proper encyclopedia.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more than just her own former employer for sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Leon Burchill

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I first saw this article when I was looking at the cast of Stoned Bros.. I prefer the information of this article to be transferred in other websites like IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes.

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• Strong delete Fails WP:NACTOR. All his roles minor usually 1 off appearances in TV shows. LibStar (talk) 17:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Golmaal Jr.

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Fails WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 13:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - Golmaal Jr has enough sources for it to be an article, the series seems popular in general. TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete or Redirect to Golmaal_(film_series)#Animated_series. 4 sources. One is broken link by sonicgang.com, other is news18, an interview with the maker of the animation series and final two are not on the WP:ICTFSOURCES list. It is also hard to find any secondary independent reliable sources and reviews on this animated series. RangersRus (talk) 14:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

King Grayskull

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No evidence that this is notable per BEFORE. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect this page to King Grayskull's section in List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters. A quick online search doesn't show this character is notable. Moreover, from my understanding, he's a pretty minor character in the franchise to begin with. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Battle Cat

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No evidence that this is notable per BEFORE. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Demona

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The only sigcov source here[3] and a bit useful IGN source [4] still doesn't pass WP:GNG with the demonstrated sources. The best thing is to merge it into a list of characters. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Delete and Section Move. I find it strange that this character ends up having her own page in this website, so I agree that the majority of the information in Demona's separate article should be merged in the list of Gargoyle characters. Anonymy365248 (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep She's a decades-old character who is still popular today and has appeared in different forms of media including games and comics. --DrBat (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:ITSPOPULAR 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 23:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

"But without a single reliable source to verify its existence or accuracy, there is no way it can be included" doesn't apply here. DrBat (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

At this point, I'm not sure what I'm gonna respond to you. Show me more sources like Mary Sue that really doscuss the character in detail for it to prove that she's really notable. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

There's this article, this interview, and this video. --DrBat (talk) 02:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I already brought up the IGN source. Demona is just a passing mention from the AV club source + that youtube source is unreliable. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The av club one has a whole section of the interview about the character, it's hardly a passing mention. --DrBat (talk) 04:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Oops I missed this sorry, but we don't usually call this WP:SIGCOV as a source somehow since Demona wasn't discussed as a character but as an interview to voice her in a short detail. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 04:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Rockoons

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Fails WP:GNG; all coverage both in article and in BEFORE search provides only WP:TRIVIALMENTION. WP:TVSERIES does not apply in the absence of reliable sourcing about its production. As an alternative to deletion, I propose to redirect to Soyuzmultfilm. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: I don't see how this fails notability. There are sources in the article. I must also add that the addition of the deletion tag seems premature as it was added only 9 minutes after the addition of those calling for the improvement of the article. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 01:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I added them as part of new page review, which was when I did source analysis and decided they did not meet WP:GNG. Did you look at the (two) sources? They each have a single passing mention of the show, nothing close to WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

You're saying that the sources should only write about the show? At least they say something like the show is one of the selected ones in the country aimed for more international exposure. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 06:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I beg of you to read the WP:SIGCOV page. It's very clear about the kind of coverage required. Brief passing mentions don't count. The sources you cited are fine to include in the article to validate facts, but they don't do anything to establish the notability of the subject. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete or merge to Soyuzmultfilm. Article certainly does fail SIGCOV. It's all unsourced fancruft with both citations barely mentioning the subject in passing, as stated by the nom. The show has been around three years yet a Gsearch mainly turns up this while content for the show consists of YouTube clips. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 07:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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  Thanks for adding sources. I agree with your rationale to redirect since the sources are direct links to a video platform and press releases from Soyuzmultfilm and thus don't contribute to notability as a standalone topic. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  Because this source tells entirely about the show, doesn't this count as significant coverage? Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  It's significant, but it's not independent. At the top it says "Пресс-релизы," or press release See WP:PRSOURCE. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  Is this one a press release? I don't see "Пресс-релизы" in it. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC) Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Gattu Battu

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Fails WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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KWCC-LD

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 12:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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KXPD-LP

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Fails WP:GNG; some references are dead links. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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KWEM-LP (Oklahoma)

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 12:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Found some sources covering specific shows the station aired but couldn't find anything covering the station itself. Fails to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 11:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Chacha Bhatija (TV series)

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Doesn't pass WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List_of_programmes_broadcast_by_Hungama_TV#Animated series -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Veronica Cintron

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Vice President of Communications for the Tampa Airport, winner of multiple small awards doesn't establish WP:GNG for this article subject. In my BEFORE, I could only find mentions related to her work at the airport. The Emmy awards might be notable but they were regional and I wasn't prepared to watch a video to see if this claim was verified. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak delete. This article as it stands is a collection of trivia and needs to be completely rewritten. (I removed a link to a Wordpress blog among the references.) Two sources might be said to clear the WP:GNG bar: the Tampa Bay Times piece and the Tampa Bay Business Journal article covering her hiring at the airport are both significant coverage of her in secondary, independent, reliable sources. The rest of the sources are trivial mentions (and the "Guide to Tampa Bay" profile is basically a marketing promo). I could probably be persuaded to keep based on the TBT/TBBJ references, but looking at all the sources in context as required, the subject appears to be a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL local broadcast journalist/corporate PR professional whose career does not warrant an article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Delete I thought there would be more coverage of her time as a news anchor, but apparently not. BrigadierG (talk) 13:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Dilly Braimoh

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No evidence of any notability. The BFI source which would have been useful returns a 404 error. The other from IMDB is unreliable. Searches reveal very little, certainly nothing that adds to notability. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   13:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for the comment. However, having seen the source, it does not actually add anything to notability.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   21:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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• This book briefly confirms that he grew up in foster care. This news article briefly says he attended Croydon College (not in the article) and did "Dilly Dines Out" (not cited in the article). Overall, I'm not finding many sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Mighty Raju

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Fails WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 14:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List_of_programmes_broadcast_by_Pogo#Animated_series -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to List_of_programmes_broadcast_by_Pogo#Animated_series. RangersRus (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Rudra: Boom Chik Chik Boom

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Fails WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 12:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Nickelodeon_(Indian_TV_channel)#HistoryGreen_Gold_Animations#Television (thanks, RangersRus, that's a better target): if coverage is considered insufficient. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Mushy Yank Rudra: Boom Chik Chik Boom aired on both Nickelodeon and Nickelodeon Sonic channels, and it is also digitally available on JioCinema and Amazon Prime Video. Therefore, redirecting it to Nickelodeon#History might not be appropriate. This situation parallels that of Shiva. M S Hassan (talk) 11:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  See my reply there. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)--->changed target, see above and !vote below.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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Shiva (TV series)

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Doesn't pass WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 13:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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  @Mushy Yank Shiva aired on both Nickelodeon and Nickelodeon Sonic channels, and it is also digitally available on JioCinema. Therefore, redirecting it to Nickelodeon Sonic programming list might not be appropriate. M S Hassan (talk) 11:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. True. But it was originally broadcast on N. Sonic and N. only. And the latter does not list the series, whereas the NSonic list does (and the first is a part of the latter, fwiw). If you find a better target (Viacom 18?), consider I agree. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I prefer to delete it rather than redirect it to another article. M S Hassan (talk) 11:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I see! I'll stand by my redirect and target then. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to List_of_programmes_broadcast_by_Nickelodeon_Sonic#Animated_series. If Viacom18 page had list of shows it produced, I would have redirected it there. RangersRus (talk) 15:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanthi One

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Fails WP:GNG; written like a TV guide. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 14:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Strong Keep : The article's subject is notable. Thanthi one is an airing new TV channel from Daily Thanthi Group in Tamil Nadu. They already have one channelThanthi TV. strong source from (www.dailythanthi.com, www.afaqs.com, www.medianews4u.com, cinema.vikatan.com). It deserves to be kept. in future can we add more source. This is not TV guide, only added programs broadcast by Thanthi One. Official Web (Thanthi One, Thanthi One's channel on YouTube)--P.Karthik.95 (talk) 15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: A channel could be notable; sourcing now is very PR-ish and I can't find anything better. This is written like a program guide, not appropriate for a wiki article. Oaktree b (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to Thanthi TV. This is likely a case of WP:TOO EARLY. Note that www.dailythanthi.com and www.dtnext.in. are both owned by Dina Thanthi, which are self-published sources. DareshMohan (talk) 23:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Unreliable sources and fails WP:NCORP. RangersRus (talk) 15:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Thanthi TV The title is a viable search term, but Thanthi One is so new that it does not have notability on its own, nor do all the writeups from related media confer notability (WP:NEWSORGINDIA). A mention in Thanthi TV that a general entertainment channel was started is about all we can do right now. It's also worth noting that this channel has no original programming, merely dubbed programs produced for other entities. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete It's an all-rerun channel and its connection to the news-heavy Thanthi TV is very tenuous at best, so I don't feel a redirect would be proper here. Nate • (chatter) 01:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

KSOY-LD

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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K35DG-D

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Fails WP:GNG; merge with University of California, San Diego#Student life. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 12:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Why not Merge it with a merge tag instead of an AFD tag then? Still think it should be merged, it’s just a weird choice not to use the tag. Danubeball (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Mythology of The Librarian

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Unreferenced WP:FANCRUFT; WP:OR. Characters aleady included in their own article. --woodensuperman 12:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Seems like a pretty clear cut "Wikipedia is not FANDOM" issue. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - The first half of the article is just a bunch of links all leading to the actual character list for the franchise at List of The Librarian characters, and the second half is just unsourced plot material. I'm not finding much in the way of coverage in reliable sources that actually discuss the mythology or lore of the franchise, so the topic fails the WP:GNG as well. Rorshacma (talk) 17:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Upmerge as appropriate to The Librarian (franchise), the WP:SS parent, as an ATD. I see no rationale articulated in either the nomination or prior !votes that would prohibit or deprecate such an ATD. Jclemens (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - What exactly from this article would be appropriate to upmerge here? The characters are already covered both on the main article as a chart, and in more detail in the separate List of The Librarian characters. Likewise, the main article already has a small section on the "Mythology of the Librarian" that gives a brief overview of the topic. And on top of that, there are essentially no source, even primary ones, being cited here to support any of the information being presented. The rationale for prohibiting that as an ATD is simply because there is nothing that would be appropriate to merge. Rorshacma (talk) 21:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per Rorshacma. There is nothing to merge to The Librarian (franchise). Walsh90210 (talk) 22:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Rorshacma. Unreliable sources in most cases, and nothing to merge. Fails WP:GNG. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete It's all in-universe details without sourcing so there's nothing worth upmerging that isn't already there. hinnk (talk) 01:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: The entire article is little more than a collection of original research. There is nothing worth preserving here. Furthermore, the title is a bit too unusual to work as a plausible search term. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 07:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Slowpoke Rodriguez

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Appears to fail WP:GNG with the article's main source being primarily about Speedy Gonzales. List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters is partially incomplete and putting the info there would help to fill out that article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment I don't see that a merge was tried (and the talk page discussion on this is ancient), and certainly wouldn't revert one myself if I saw it. Does this really need to be at AfD? Jclemens (talk) 18:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. I consider any character article too controversial to just boldly merge, so to preempt that I don't see what's wrong about AfD. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect per nom; not a suitable stand-alone article. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Banks Broadcasting

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Subject lacks the needed coverage to meet the WP:NCORP. One possible WP:ATD is redirecting to LIN TV. Let'srun (talk) 12:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete – both a Google search and a Newspapers.com search failed to turn up any meaningful results. (Side note in case anyone else does a search – it looks like there was a Banks Broadcasting in the 1970s-80s, but I think it was separate and also fails to meet notability standards.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. I'm not seeing a policy-based reason to keep this article. There are reasonable arguments to keep pages about broadcasting rights for single years, such as 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights; however, those arguments do not cover a list of broadcasters in every country in every year. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

List of FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasters

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Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the small minority of ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS if these are not unsourced or dead links, a big portion of these are WP:PRIMARY and announcments; not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE don't apply here (this isn't a database and ROUTINE is either about events or specific coverage, and WP:LISTN might be satisfied as FIFA does list them all on their website, though I could not quickly find an article with a list of broadcasters by country, common for Europe. LISTCRUFT is also very close to an "I don't like it" argument. However, there's more at play here - the 2019 and 2023 editions have their own pages. The 2019 one could use a little work but the 2023 one is well done. Removing this page would remove the information for the 2011 and 2015 World Cups, which probably need their own pages. So this probably doesn't need to exist, but we can't do a double merge to non-existent articles. SportingFlyer T·C 21:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  LISTN would not be satisfied if FIFA is the one distributing the details, hence WP:PRIMARY, hence not independent. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep with sourcing from [5] and [6]. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  these two are guide to how to watch, thus WP:NOTGUIDE. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Not guide is not about sourcing. Are the publications unreliable? Esolo5002 (talk) 20:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I did not say unreliable but these source does not help it to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  You have not provided a reason for why. WP:NOTGUIDE is about Wikipedia, not about sources. Please provide a different Wikipedia rule. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Have you looked at the quality of the sources? You think dumping any WP:RANDOM will make it pass notability guidelines. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Again the thing you have linked to me talks about accessing a random page on Wikipedia, and talks nothing about sourcing. I would recommend reviewing the links you are sending before pressing reply. I am trying to understand your argument. Esolo5002 (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  The nom has been continually nominating articles about previously broadcasted sporting events at AfD using basically WP:IDLI arguments. Sometimes the AfDs are correct on sourcing grounds, sometimes the grounds for deletion are a bit more spurious. SportingFlyer T·C 17:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOTATVGUIDE. Govvy (talk) 08:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep this article is a mess, but 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights demonstrates there is substantial and well-sourced coverage on the topic. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as the broadcasters aren't discussed as a group. Let'srun (talk) 22:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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Panta n' antamonoume

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 11:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment. Greek name is Πάντα ν' ανταμώνουμε. I find it very hard searching in Greek. Geschichte (talk) 11:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Maybe Keep? (or redirect to the channel or to Rika Vagiani, where I've just added it). https://program.ert.gr/details.asp?pid=3844901&chid=11 ; NewsBomb articles https://www.newsbomb.gr/tag/panta-na-antamwnoyme including https://www.newsbomb.gr/media-agb/story/429147/erhetai-to-panta-nantamonoyme) or this kind of things: https://typologies.gr/πάντα-ν΄ανταμώνουμε-στη-δτ-με-την-α/ (and yes, it's in Greek),-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Riverfront Broadcasting

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Subject does not meet the WP:NCORP because of a lack of significant, independent coverage of the company. The current sources are either press releases or are covering routine business transactions, and a BEFORE check didn't come up with much better. Let'srun (talk) 11:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Coastal Television Network

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Subject does not meet the WP:NCORP because of a lack of coverage about the network's activities. Let'srun (talk) 11:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Ustani Jee

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Fails to meet GNG as i couldn't find sig/in depth coverage such as reviews etc. All I could find is coverage with trivial mentions or some ROTM coverage like this and this..The page was previously nominated for deletion but was saved because socks associated with Pakistanpedia voted to keep it. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak Delete Someone can recreate this if needed. It's been six years since the last AFD, you'd think there would have been some references found by now if this was notable. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 10:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep: coverage shows some media attention. If judged insufficient, redirect to Angeline Malik#As a director. Opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep - redirect: Redirect per Mushy Yank's recommendation looks good. Cossde (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

List of WHA broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of nothing but YouTube posts, dead links, trivial mentions, WP:PRIMARY, commercial sites, WP:TERTIARY, blogspot, fanpages and primarily on anything but the broadcasting itself; not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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• comment so, if this list is up for deletion, why not include all the other broadcaster lists from other leagues and other sports? Examples List of current National Hockey League broadcasters, List of Edmonton Oilers broadcasters, Historical NHL over-the-air television broadcasters, List of historical Major League Baseball television broadcasters, and List of historical NBA over-the-air television broadcasters. There are lots of other similar list artices. I'm leaning towards keep for this article unless it can be made clear why this article should be deleted and the others kept. Masterhatch (talk) 18:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Arguing that other stuff was not nominated for deletion seems contrary to Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Flibirigit (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
    • After I posted that comment, I had looked at SpacedFarmers edit history and saw that he is in fact nominating multiple similar articles and that he wasn't just picking on some obscure WHA article. Masterhatch (talk) 23:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Subjects fails WP:LISTN. Individual parts might be sourced, but as a whole they fail notability. Flibirigit (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: This fails to meet the criteria set by WP:NLIST as the broadcasters are not discussed as a group in secondary sources. Let'srun (talk) 10:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: The World Hockey Association like the American Basketball Association and the National Basketball Association in professional basketball, is an essential part of the overall history of the National Hockey League. Like was the case with the prior ABA–NBA merger, four of the WHA's franchises were absorbed into the NHL. Television and radio media coverage are for better or worse, an essential part of a sports league's history. The WHA may or may not, have sped up NHL's expansion process. As the story goes, NHL showed little to no interest in any expansion until it was informed in 1965 that without expansion, it would not receive a network television deal. So fearing the loss of television revenues and the emergence of a rival league in the WHA, the NHL expanded to twelve teams for the 1967-68 season. This Sports Illustrated article from June 1973 notes that the WHA in contrast to the NHL's then recent problems, could be have stronger bargaining power in negotiating television contracts. So all in all, how exactly is it merely and little more than "listcruft" to discuss the WHA's media history? It's noted in the article that CBS aired some of the WHA's games for a brief while during the early 1970s. Meanwhile, this book excerpt, briefly discusses whether or not the New England (later Hartford) Whalers games were blacked out WKBG whenever the Boston Bruins of the NHL were at home. Also, noteworthy is that the Michigan Stags where unable to secure a television deal (except for a one-off broadcast on WXON Channel 20 in 1974). Here's an article from The New York Times from 1975 on the Michigan Stags' troubles: W.H.A. Outlook Brighter Despite Stags’ Collapse BornonJune8 (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Another key thing to take note is that the World Hockey Association's championship trophy (and their equivalent to the Stanley Cup in the NHL) was the Avco World Trophy, which was named after the Avco Corporation. Avco also owned the Crosley Broadcasting Corporation during almost the entire duration of the WHA's existence. BornonJune8 (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

    But why does it have to be a list then? Why not a History of WHA tv broadcasts? Conyo14 (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

    That is exactly my question as well. Let'srun (talk) 01:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

    Yeah, turning it into a History of WHA tv broadcasters is a good idea.Masterhatch (talk) 01:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Per BornonJune8. I think between the sources and BornonJune8's comments there's enough to demonstrate adequate enough coverage to pass WP:LISTN. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Bad Gumaan

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I couldn't even find ROTM coverage, much less sig/in-depth coverage, so fails GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Heer Da Hero

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I couldn't find much about this drama in RS except for some ROTM coverage like this in DAWN and coverage like this in Daily Times, which is churnalism and also falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. We need solid coverage to prove GNG, not just trivial mentions or ROTM coverage. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Amar_Khan#As_writer: Coverage including some that contains critical assessment is imv enough to keep this but to avoid long discussions that have taken place during other Afds of Pakistani-related films/actors/series etc, I am suggesting this as alternative to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep meets WP:GNG. Coverage in Daily Times ([7]) and Dawn ([8]) is enough. Both are staff written articles. 188.29.129.61 (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
  • 188.29.129.61, I did include both of these coverage in my nomination, and I explained why they weren't sufficient to pass the GNG . —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

    Thank you for presenting those sources and commenting. For the record, the article in Dawn, signed by Sadaf Haider, and that contains three paragraphs on the series, including critical appraisal, does not seem churnalism nor to "fall under NEWSORGINDIA"; it contains more than trivial mentions or "ROTM": "This script was written by the lead actress Amar Khan and was initially called JanjalPur. After the teasers, many complained this show might be too loud and filmi for Ramazan, but a strong cast and direction pulls the story together, keeping it entertaining without going over the edge.Imran Ashraf is perfect in the familiar avatar of the action hero, beating up goondas (goons) and maintaining peace in the neighbourhood where his father (Waseem Abbas) lost an election. This year ‘Hero Butt’ will ensure his father wins the seat of the local councillor. The opposition is TikTok star Heer Jatt’s family, her father played by Kashif Abbasi and uncle, a corrupt policeman played by Afzal Khan (Jan Rambo), whose deadpan humour is unmissable.Like most Ramazan shows, the supporting cast of quirky but lovable personalities are essential to the spirit of the show. Amar is fantastic as Heer, funny, tough, determined and somehow vulnerable too. The show also debuts Scottish Pakistani YouTube star Rahim Pardesi (Mohammad Amer) whose hilarious face-off with Hero Butt is the stuff of legend. Despite the simple setting, efforts have been made to keep up the production values, and the wardrobe and lighting giving us a very watchable show..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

    I didn't refer to the coverage in Dawn as churnalism or even classified it under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The coverage was in Daily Times, and Dawn's coverage alone is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Saqib (talk) 10:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

    Ah, OK! Thanks for clarifying. Still, I don't think you can call it "ROTM" (which you do, unless I misunderstood that part too). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of ESPN personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: This subject is discussed as a group in secondary sources such as [[9]], [[10]], [[11]] and [[12]] just for starters. I'd say this meets the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of ESPN Radio personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: The personalities for ESPN radio are discussed in a multitide of sources, such as [[13]], [[14]], [[15]], and [[16]]. I'd say this meets the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 16:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  These links falls under WP:ROUTINE, more like another announcments of lineups. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of past ESPN personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: This group has been covered in secondary sources, such as [[17]], [[18]] and [[19]]. Let'srun (talk) 10:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  News articles of 'personalities' being laid off, just a small selection of this list. Doesn't have much relations with it though. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Not the entire grouping needs to be covered for WP:NLIST to be met. If you want a wider selection covered, there is [[20]]. Let'srun (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Not forgetting alls under WP:ROUTINE. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to List of ESPN personalities. I agree with Let'srun that there are indeed sources to attribute to this, but the past can merge with the main article. No need to fork it. Conyo14 (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Per Let'srun. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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WEEE-LP

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak keep The station was Knoxville's UPN affiliate in the early 2000s and got some significant coverage in that era. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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WFEM-LP

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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WVTN-LD

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Baalveer Returns

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Can't see it passes WP: GNG. All available sourcing are just about the actors. Proposing MERGE to Baalveer or DELETE. Twinkle1990 (talk) 16:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep:The article "Baalveer Returns" has been supported by many reliable sources, including Mid Day, The Tribune India, Aaj Tak, Abp news and The Times of India as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Guidelines_on_sources It seems like Twinkle1990 has a personal enmity with Baalveer, so they are trying to delete all Balveer- related articles.
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• Delete or Redirect to Baalveer. Same here like Baalveer 3 and Baalveer 4 nomination. The sources do not have the quality and depth of coverage needed to warrant a page on this show. Fails WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 21:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Baalveer. Since the article is not passing, WP: GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 10:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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SagamoreHill Broadcasting

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Subject does not meet the WP:NCORP because of a lack of in-depth coverage. PROD was contested so bringing it to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 03:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of programs broadcast by Hum TV

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Fails WP:NLIST and is WP:NOTTVGUIDE. It has not "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" as references verify the shows but do not talk about the group as a whole. There are nine current programs that are sourced which can easily be placed in the Hum TV page if necessary. History of the page also shows this has been the target of socks and COI since 2017 from Hum TV. While not a reason to delete, the list only stands to promote the station. CNMall41 (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: detailed article about a notable network: see WP:SPLITLIST. If a merge into the main article was an improvement, I would not be opposed but it would be an issue. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

It is not a detailed article unfortunately. It is a list. If it is a problem to merge per SPLITLIST, then a redirect would work. However, it would need to be notable per NLIST to have a standalone page. I looked and could not find reliable sources that talk about the list as a grouping but I have been proven wrong before if someone can provide those sources. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I would tend to believe that, whenever the list format is appropriate, a list can be a detailed page on any given subject mentioned briefly in a section of another article. The subject is obviously a subtopic of Hum TV, it would be difficult to argue otherwise. See Template Main list (which uses the word Main where "Detailed" is to be understood). See also the template For Timeline, similar. If you want to redirect and merge, sure, if all agree and size is not an issue; but this type of page is pretty standard, though, by the way. Look at the categories and the pages they contain....

For sources, you have for example, https://internationalrasd.org/journals/index.php/pjhss/article/download/1259/936/9962 ; or see Forging the Ideal Educated Girl: The Production of Desirable Subjects in Muslim South Asia (2018). But I consider WP:SPLITLIST to be the applicable section of the guideline and the fact that it's a pretty standard approach to programs of notable networks should imv encourage us to keep that list. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

"I would tend to believe that, whenever the list format is appropriate, a list can be a detailed page on any given subject mentioned briefly in a section of another article" - I like that thinking and generally it seems acceptable on its face. The problem is that the list must meet notability guidelines. If not, then it should stay mentioned briefly on the notable network page. Here there are only nine programs and they do not all appear to be original programs, just current programming. I do like "a pretty standard approach to programs of notable networks" as you mentioned above. They can easily be covered by the category as opposed to standalone list (for those that are "original programmin" - the rest are just TV Guide listings) in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I am also concerned about the fate of borderline/mildly notable series/programs whose pages are redirected to pages like this (not about the pages themselves, but at the idea that the ATD is not an ATD). And more generally about the issue of notability of various lists like this. Allow me to quote User:Maile66's comment during a recent Afd: "Refer to Category:Lists of television series by network. Generally speaking, most of them list the programs they carry, and have no sourcing. Most of them are also kept current if programs are added or dropped. There are literally hundreds of stations involved, if not thousands of stations and programs involved. If anyone disagrees with how it's handled, I'd suggest discussing it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television." I think it's a fair concern. Either a broader discussion or a consensus that, yes, sourcing should be better but that this type of pages should generally be considered OK when the network is notable. A broader discussion would perhaps be helpful.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirects to the page are a concern but they should not have bearing on notability. Unfortunately, I think a lot of the programs may not meet notability guidelines but do not want to do a mass deletion. Maybe someone can take up the task and redirect them to the main station page. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: WP:NLIST applies without any special exception and that in general lists of programs, where needed, can be handled within the article about the channel, and don't generally merit a stand-alone list article, unless such a list would pass the scrutiny per WP:NLIST. WP is not a WP:NOTDIRECTORY nor WP:NOTTVGUIDE —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Hum TV as WP:ATD. 2A00:23C6:139B:A101:78CA:7B5:3148:9172 (talk) 00:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep : I suggest to Keep the Article. As it a large number of notable program's are listed on it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:ad80:ab:6d1:1:0:713f:e3e2 (talk • contribs)

Arguments to avoid: WP:NOTINHERITED. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

But 2402:ad80:ab:6d1:1:0:713f:e3e2 has a point; WP:TVGUIDE says: "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." (emphasis mine). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep : The only difference between this list and how other station programmings are done, is that usually the list of programming is a separate section at the bottom of the article for the station itself. In this case, they simply separated the list of programming into its own article. — Maile (talk) 12:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

What I am wondering is if there are sources that talk about this list as a group? Otherwise, it is a TVGUIDE listing and does not meet WP:NLIST. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your replies. To be honest I don't even understand how TVGUIDE applies here (nor to most of the lists mentioned above in Maile66's quote): "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." As for sources on Hum Tv programs as a set, see my reply above. And as for WP:NLIST is a guideline, sure, but so is WP:SPLITLIST that imv applies to all these lists of programs of notable networks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of ESPNU personalities

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This group does not have the requisite coverage in secondary sources as a group to meet the criteria established by WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 02:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge to ESPNU as an WP:ATD. It serves as a WP:NAVIGATION, but there are no grouping sources for satisfying WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge to ESPNews per WP:ATD. A list that is useful being a category but not as a list, which is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete unsourced and fails verification; a spot-check of articles linked (Joe Davis (sportscaster), Mike Crispino, Andy Katz) shows none of them mention ESPNU, just ESPN in general. The concept of being an "ESPNU personality" (separate from other ESPN brands) does not appear to exist. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of ESPNews personalities

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Let'srun (talk) 02:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge to ESPNews. There are no grouping sources on the subject, but the WP:NAVIGATION purposes are still there, so the ATD is better at the main. Conyo14 (talk) 18:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge to ESPNews per WP:ATD. A list that is useful being a category but not as a list, which is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to List of SportsCenter anchors and reporters; unsourced and the target articles generally describe people as SportsCenter hosts rather than being specifically associated with ESPNews. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - This is the function of categories, not articles. Carrite (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

WEDG-TV

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to WXXA-TV: it is mentioned there, as this was a cable-only UPN affiliate that was a joint venture between WXXA and Time Warner Cable. That partnership was basically another one of those "digital subchannels before digital subchannels were much of a thing" deals, and while I'm certain "WEDG"/"UPN4" did get some coverage that does not necessarily mean separate notability (or even the need for a separate page). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Merge with WNYA Like many other WB+ cable stations that went to The CW Plus and digital subchannels in 2006 and beyond, this is effectively the same thing, only involving UPN locally; started life as WEDG on cable, then for all intents and purposes outside the syndication contracts transferred to WXXA, the most important thing in UPN moved over-the-air to channel 51, along with its existing cable 4 position. Nate • (chatter) 21:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Merge with WNYA would be the best solution. TH1980 (talk) 00:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge with WXXA-TV, which actually operated this channel. (The WNYA article certainly would have to include a mention of this one, but it is operationally unrelated.) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge to the WXXA-TV article and/or WNYA: It sounds kinda self-explanatory in its self. WXXA had UPN as an secondary affiliation from 1995 when UPN signed on for the first time to 1998 when they signed primary O&O PAX-TV station WYPX-TV as an secondary affiliate and WVBG-LD as the primary affiliate on air. (On cable, WSBK in Boston or WWOR in Secaucus, NJ–New York City, NY, depending on the cable provider.) WXXA operated that cable-only station WEDG from 2000 until 2003 when WNYA grabbed the UPN affiliation. mer764KCTV5 / Cospaw (He/Him | Talk • Contributions) 06:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Télé Lyon Métropole

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insufficient notability or coverage in reliable sources. Additionally, it may lack independent, third-party references to establish its significance in the context of television broadcasting. Welcome to Pandora (talk) 15:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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Keep One would expect a TV station reaching 1.3 million inhabitants fulfills WP:GNG and it does. The French Wikipedia article shows an abundance of WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. I agree the article needs to be updated and better sourced (the TV station seemingly does not exist anymore), but WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. Broc (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• It appears that BFM Lyon Métropole is the rebrand/successor of this station [21]. There is no sourced content in the (English) article; the article should not be kept in its current form. A redirect (to BFM TV) might be better than trying to fix this article. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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The Venery of Samantha Bird

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I would argue that this fails the notability criteria: since the article is based on routine press coverage, and there's not much more mentions in reliable sources after the show did not move forward in September 2023. Maybe the specific guideline is WP:NOTNEWS, but I've seen most unaired television/film articles that do not have extensive coverage beyond cancellation be draftified, so maybe draftifying is the best option? I'm open to other options, though. Spinixster (trout me!) 09:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep - Passes GNG from sources showing in the footnotes — multiple instances of published, significant coverage about the subject in sources of presumed reliability. Carrite (talk) 15:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, but it's all routine press coverage, no sources show that the cancelled series is notable after its cancellation. Not all cancelled series/films with routine press coverage are notable, and if it is, might as well make pages for the 200+ series and films that have been cancelled. Spinixster (trout me!) 00:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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WMUB-LD

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Fails WP:GNG; questionable sourcing. Merge with Mercer University#Student life. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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Off Road with Gul Panag

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 14:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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Satja Nai Chum Joan (Suea Sung Fah III)

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 14:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Looking up สัจจะในชุมโจร turns up lots of coverage (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL), though as is usual for entertainment news, a lot of it is based on supplied PR material. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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• First part has a page, 2nd part too, so, coverage allowing verification, I'm in favour of Keeping this as a short (detailed) article. If the identified coverage is judged insufficiently independent, Redirect to Suea Sung Fah. Opposed to deletion.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Star Hill Ponies

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 14:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: I found a newspaper article called "Trotting towards stardom" in the South Wales Evening Post, April 1999, and one called "Titanic tricks for TV puppets" in the Western Daily Press, April 1999. Toughpigs (talk) 17:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep, given what was presented here and on the page (thanks Toughpigs) or at the very least Redirect to Bumper Films, if the said sources are really found insufficient. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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WBON-LD

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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List of The Sarah Jane Adventures minor characters

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Fails WP:NLIST. Adding together many non-notable topics still gives you a non-notable topic. Some character articles like Sarah Jane Smith are notable but does not support having a list about every character in the series, which do not have significant coverage as required by WP:N. Jontesta (talk) 03:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep character lists' topic is the fictional element (The Sarah Jane Adventures), and are roundly considered to meet CSC #2. That is, no policy-based reason for deletion has been articulated. Jclemens (talk) 03:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment Impossible Worlds, Impossible Things: Cultural Perspectives on Doctor Who, Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures has commentary on the characters in the series, starting from Sarah Jane, but also about the other characters as a group. Daranios (talk) 14:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures. The problem here is less notability, but more size. The list can likely have the bulk of its content merged into the cast list already in the article given the bulk of characters here are at least decently recurring. This feels like it was dropped partway through, since the only characters beyond the significant recurring characters are minor characters from the first episode exclusively. If this does survive, it needs a major TNT/overhaul, but personally I don't see a reason for this to exist just based off of size reasons. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and possibly rename, or merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures. I am not convinced the split into cast and minor characters is beneficial. So I could imagine keeping and renaming this into List of The Sarah Jane Adventures characters, and include brief descriptions and links to the cast characters, most of whom have their own articles. Seems helpful to me for navigation. With regard to notability, as mentioned above, I question if it makes any sense to try to divorce conventional fiction works from the characters. What would they be without the characters? Of course there still needs to be enough material in secondary sources to write anything. Still, if one wanted to ask for secondary sources specifically discussing the characters of The Sarah Jane Adventures, Dancing with the Doctor discusses them at various places, as does the book mentioned above and others. So even if one wanted to ask for notability of characters as opposed to the series as such, that would still be fullfilled. All that said, I don't have an overview how much the secondary sources in total have to say on characters other than the main cast (and how incomplete the current list is with regards to what Pokelego999 mentioned), so I cannot say if a stand-alone article or a merge would be best in the long run, based on WP:PAGEDECIDE rather than notability. Daranios (talk) 10:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect or merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures per WP:ATD. I only find WP:SIGCOV for characters who already have articles. The minor characters don't have much coverage, but are summed up nicely at the main article. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment If asked to decide I would prefer keeping to merging. Hopefully there will be more input. Daranios (talk) 10:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Best belong to Fandom, don't anybody think? (Nothing wrong with it though, I frequent visit that site) Serves to nobody but to the most ardent fans. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

  WP:WHOCARES is not a valid argument. (and there is an awful lot wrong with fandom) --TheImaCow (talk) 17:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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  I'm trying to point out that a list of this is useful for Fandom. Still, whats makes a list of minor characters worthy of a standalone list when most lists of characters are about characters with significant roles, hence my point. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  One of the WP:Common selection criteria for lists is that all the listed items are non-notable. See, e.g., List of minor characters in the Alice series. Other lists, such as List of generation I Pokémon, mix notable and non-notable characters. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Recommend keeping. Career cut short but a fine actor.

Neil Fitzwiliam

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No significant coverage and not enough major roles. SL93 (talk) 00:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: An article that doesnt meet WP:NACTOR. No major roles too and unverified sources. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Kaafir (Pakistani TV series)

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I couldn't find sign/in-depth coverage, such as reviews. All I could find is some ROTM coverage like this, this and this. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: could be reasonably redirected to the page about the director if the one-paragraph appraisal im Dawn Humayun Saeed’s negative role in Kaafir actually made one feel disgusted by his character. This drama proved how his star quality and ability to reach to the audience never fails. The good vs. evil; directed by Shahid Shafaat gave us the story Shahan Ali Khan (Humayun Saeed) who is living a dual life; in front of his family he pretended to be virtuous but resorted to his evil and malicious side when away from them. The twists were woven captivatingly into the narrative although the play did go a little over board with its bold dialogues and settings. and this review (https://www.thequint.com/entertainment/hot-on-web/zee-5-kaafir-dia-mirza-mohit-raina) for example are is not judged sufficient. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Mushy Yank, I'm fine with redirection. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

  Read the opening sentence, Zee 5's web series Kaafir is a historical drama that explores the inhuman situation of Pakistani prisoners in India. So it is a web series of Zee5, not related to ARY drama. Redirect is the way. 2A04:4A43:920F:F722:28B7:A2BE:8E49:C6C3 (talk) 19:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, 2A04:4A43:920F:F722:28B7:A2BE:8E49:C6C3, indeed, silly me. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep as per Mushy Yank provided source, also easily passes WP:NTV, broadcasted on national television channel ARY Digital. Libraa2019 (talk) 18:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Libraa2019, But NTV is an essay, not a policy. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect per Saqib and Mushy. The Quint article is about a different web series and there is nothing in-depth in reliable refs. 188.30.176.151 (talk) 19:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Ladoon Mein Pali

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I couldn't even find ROTM coverage, much less sig/in-depth coverage, so clearly fails GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Waseem_Abbas#Television_serials: director -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep Same rationale for almost every nomination. I am doubting WP:Before is done or not as received some coverage [22] [23] [24], [25]. Also it was broadcasted in 2014 and many Pakistani newspapers remove old coverage from their websites. Why a series broadcasted in 2014 need nomination discussion after more than a decade or their is some hidden agenda behind it. Libraa2019 (talk) 10:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Libraa2019, Let me evaluate each source individually.
    1. This coverage by Daily Times is limited to a single line which means it is ROTM and this makes it insufficient for establishing WP:GNG.
    2. Both Daily Pakistan's coverage (this and this) is merely WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS
    3. This Daily Times' coverage also merely WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS.
    I suggest you to please refrain from making WP:ATA and/or accuse me of being on some hidden agenda [26]—Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
    • I've strike off that comments so no need to highlight and as the admin said you copy pasted same wordings in almost every nomination, therefore it seems you have not done research before. The series broadcasted in 2014 is likely notable considering these sources as most of the newspaper remove that much old coverage and if it does'nt meet notability then why it was not nominated by you earlier and after a decade suddenly all of these AFD's. Libraa2019 (talk) 11:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
      • Libraa2019, Is it against the rules if my rationale are same across all the nominations? By the way, my reasoning isn't copied verbatim if you look closely. Each article is evaluated individually and I've done my homework (WP:BEFORE) before hitting the AfD button. And that is why sufficient coverage in RS haven't been found yet which means my nominations are legit. And unless the sources are unreliable or dubious, old archives can typically be found, so your excuse doesn't make sense to me. Regarding why am I tossing these nominations out now? Simple. I've just decided it's high time we clean up the mess around here. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect, clearly not notable 48JCL TALK 10:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Olympics on ABC commentators

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY, one being about one of its commentators and announcements, some being more deserving in an article about the coverage but not this list; barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Found this [[27]] (1/3), [[28]] (2/3), [[29]] (3/3), but it appears to just republishing a press release. Probably should be a delete unless better sources can be found. Let'srun (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep: Sources are being added at this very moment. Thus, far sources for the 1976 Summer Olympics, the 1964 Winter Olympics, and the list of hosts that ABC utilized have been added. Also, a lead section has finally been added. This article should be at the very least, merged with the main ABC Olympic broadcasts as a secondary option. BornonJune8 (talk) 08:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  Checked the new source: some of those are about the announcers, some are about the games itself, one is links to YouTube videos. In short, not helping much. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Delete there is a book on the subject within the ABC Olympic broadcasts article. Willing to change my !vote if sources from the time period are found. Conyo14 (talk) 16:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." The editor that seems to be spending their entire time on wikipedia recently trying to remove pages on TV broadcasts should try reading the article which they cite, which I quoted from. These broadcast articles contain primarily historical information, they do not read like a TV guide "forthcoming Olympics broadcast on ABC on July 27 at 8pm", etc. would be a TV guide. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  WP:ITSUSEFUL applies. All this is, is a list of who presented who, so WP:LISTCRUFT applies. A merger would be better. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge with ABC Olympic broadcasts: Subject does not have the needed coverage from secondary sources as a grouping to meet the WP:NLIST. Merge as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 21:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Just about all of the names of the commentators and what respective events that they worked on for each of ABC's Olympic broadcasts that have been listed are for the most part, accounted for reference/sourcing wise. There are now over 200 sources spanning from 1964-1988. Also, the article touches in depth, arguably two of the most significant or well known moments in ABC's Olympic history, Jim McKay's reporting on the 1972 Munich massacre and Al Michaels' calling what would become known as the "Miracle on Ice" in 1980. So it isn't merely just a list of commentators, there's some context behind it. BornonJune8 (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of NFL Championship Game broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent NFL fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced; besides being minimal, none of the two are extant, not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete This would have to have been from a while ago, so sources could exist on newspapers.com. However, this article stands as WP:LISTCRUFT and mainly consists of WP:OR. Conyo14 (talk) 17:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. I have agreed with the previous AfDs directed at lists of broadcasters of various college bowl games and conference championship games, but there is room in the encyclopedia for a list when it is about the biggest game of the year. In recent history, that's the Super Bowl, and nobody has questioned the notability of List of Super Bowl broadcasters. The Super Bowl is not only the pinnacle of careers on the field but also in the broadcast booth. The best of the best are tabbed to broadcast the Super Bowl, and a list of its broadcasters serves a valid purpose as a navigational list. In the pre-Super Bowl era, the NFC Championship Game was the pinnacle, and the same rationale applies. Cbl62 (talk) 08:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC).

• My take: There is room for these lists in a legitimate encyclopedia if limited to top-level events. E.g., List of Super Bowl broadcasters, List of World Series broadcasters, List of NBA Finals broadcasters, List of Wimbledon broadcasters, List of Indianapolis 500 broadcasters, List of Stanley Cup Finals broadcasters. Being the broadcaster at such an event is the pinnacle for sports broadcasters, and the lists serve a useful navigational function in tracking sports broacasting history at the highest level. It is when we allow these things to creep to the middle and lower levels that we risk dippig into fancruft. Cbl62 (talk) 09:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• This is not the Super Bowl though. I'd be willing to change my !vote if sources are found regarding these specific game(s)' broadcasting crews. Conyo14 (talk) 16:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• The NFL Championship Game was the top championship game in pro football during its time. The Super Bowl is that today. Cbl62 (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Nobody can doubt that. The can't be said for the one about the FA Cup final, Moto GP, Ligue 1, Serie A, Bundesliga and the French Open (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of French Open broadcasters (2nd nomination)) SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, per Cbl62, being what was at the time the biggest American football game of the year. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  We can all agree with that. This is not intended to be a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT but I wish people stop using "the biggest sporting event of the year" as an excuse to keep. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  @SpacedFarmer: You wish people would stop referencing the fact that a list is based on a notable event, and the notability of said event, as a reason/relevant point when voting to keep something? That's a silly concept and definitely not an "excuse". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Reliable sources discussing the broadcasters for this game as a group seemingly do not exist, and as such, this article fails to meet WP:LISTN. Notability is WP:NOTINHERETED. Let'srun (talk) 19:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• A list can serve valid navigational purpose and not have sources discussing all entries as a group. In any event, here (link) is a piece by the Pro Football Researchers Association that does exactly what you ask. Cbl62 (talk) 21:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

  That is a good start, but I'd need to see at least one more source like that before I'd be inclined to switch my vote. Let'srun (talk) 02:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Again, this functions as a navigational list such that we don't need sources dealing with all entries as a group (even though such a source has been found). This was the top pro football game in the world in the years prior to the Super Bowl (where nobody questions the validity of the List of Super Bowl broadcasters) and has equal historical value. Cbl62 (talk) 10:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Per Cbl62. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per Cbl62. Rlendog (talk) 16:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I think the problem with this article is that it only gives a list format of who did play-by-play, color commentating, and also on-field reporting. The notes section is actually much more reliable as a History of the NFL championship broadcasts article startup than maintaining it as a list. However, with only one good source from Cbl62, it doesn't seem like this article maintains WP:LISTN. Saying, "it was the biggest event of the time, surely sources exist...", please provide more and I will change my !vote. Conyo14 (talk) 07:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep but move to History of the NFL championship broadcasts, per Conyo14, with the footnote material about the various quirks of the broadcasts being moved to the body of the article ahead of the list, and the list being made a lesser section of the article. BD2412 T 14:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep and move per BD2412. My previous rationale still applies, this does not meet the WP:LISTN but can meet the GNG though a rewrite. Let'srun (talk) 20:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

NASCAR on television in the 1980s

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, TV schedules, those centrally about the season with the broadcasting being merely mentions and most of those being YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. The events themselves are notable but the topic of whether they appeared or not on television is not. This serves as one massive collection of YouTube links. Ajf773 (talk) 09:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: I personally find what networks aired what races interesting, but how it is presented in these decade articles is underwhelming (I understand why these pages will probably be deleted). It's also missing what is highly relevant information (up until the late 80s) regarding what sort of broadcast individual races received: live flag-to-flag coverage, joined in progress, tape delayed, condensed tape delayed, or not broadcast at all. The best place for that would be the individual season articles, though. They already have a section listing the entire schedule of races (not the partial schedules we see in some of these articles). A column for the TV network would be simple enough to add to that table and any out of the ordinary details about the nature of the broadcasts could be added to the sections for the individual races (probably not the broadcasting teams since that would be fairly repetitious). --NHL04 (talk) 05:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as a valid split from NASCAR on television and radio, alternatively merge to that target. Splitting individual decades keeps the parent article from becoming too cluttered and unreadable. See WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE. @Ajf773: Deletion is not cleanup. Inappropriate content can be removed without needing to delete everything which would potentially be mergeable. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Remove the YT links then you barely have much left other than unsourced entries. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• The events are covered in other articles, for example 1980 NASCAR Winston Cup Series and so forth for every year following that. Those lists are sufficient enough to present what is needed. Ajf773 (talk) 01:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Per GhostOfDanGurney. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete I am sure this will close as "no consensus" but I am not seeing a point in keeping this collection on Wikipedia. Srijanx22 (talk) 18:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Srijanx22: Do you have rationale to provide other than "not seeing a point" in it? You personally not seeing value in it does not mean the subject matter isn't notable. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  If this goes as keep or no consensus, this tells you the state of Wikipedia. I do not see how a collection of YouTube links make a list notable. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  @SpacedFarmer: As has been told to you in the past, it's not about what the current sourcing is, it's about whether the subject as a whole is notable. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete and redirect. The article is a coatrack for a list of (presumably bootleg) Youtube videos, most of which have been taken down. NASCAR on television and radio is a suitable redirect target, but the page history should not be kept. An improved "box score" format for races on pages like 1985 NASCAR Winston Cup Series might include this information, but it would need to be re-created. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure I understand why the page history shouldn't be kept.

  The problem becomes that the 60s, 70s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s list nominations all ended in no consensus, while the 2020 nomination ended in keep. This would leave us with a hole between the 70s and 90s that's just not addressed, and any such attempt to fill said gap may end up being G4'd. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Note WP:ELNEVER. Also, I see no reason why the 60s/70s articles should not also be deleted (or why the nominations weren't bundled to avoid that possible outcome). Walsh90210 (talk) 21:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  They were initially, but the nominator botched the nomination completely by both forgetting a step and including more than just the "NASCAR on television..." articles. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  15:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Walsh90210: I fail to understand why you wanted to note WP:ELNEVER to me. Could you explain? Did you perhaps mean to link something else? Hey man im josh (talk) 11:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Leaning Keep as a valid split per GhostofDanGurney, also bearing in mind that every other decade survived AFD, which would mean that we've got articles on every decade from the 1960s to present except this one, which would be disorderly and doesn't make sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to NASCAR on television and radio. Not seeing any valid use for this standalone. Stifle (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
  • @Stifle: But then wouldn't the parent article be unbalanced, as it would be the only decade to be extensively individually focused on whereas all the others have their own standalones? BeanieFan11 (talk)
    • They can all be merged. Stifle (talk) 08:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. The topic is notable and splitting from the parent article is a good idea (per GhostofDanGurney). If the article needs to be cleaned up, deletion is not the way to do it. Malinaccier (talk) 20:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Notable, at least for NASCAR on television and radio. What kind of message does linkdumping bootleg Youtube links sends? We should allow them to pass as WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment - The only difference between this discussion and the discussions for the other decades prior to May 29 (when the others were closed and this was relisted) was the extra delete !vote by Ajf773. Was there a particular reason for only !voting here? I do agree with others above that it would be odd for this decade to be the only one not be allowed to stand alone. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  00:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  @GhostOfDanGurney: While I do, obviously, have issue (as I mentioned above) with the idea that one decade's article gets deleted while the rest did not, it doesn't matters why they voted on one and not the rest, that's entirely acceptable to do. We have no reason to question them on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Hey man im josh: My aim with the comment was to try to determine if it was worth seeing if just renominating the whole bundle of decades as a batch (without the other articles that were included the first time) was a good option. I should have been more clear with that and I apologize for coming across as trying to call them out here. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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