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Russia[edit]

Viktor Bolkhovsky[edit]

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should be considered for deletion due to insufficient notability or significance of the subject, as evidenced by a lack of substantial verifiable information and reliable sources to support their notability Welcome to Pandora (talk) 11:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: The sources in the article include extensive profiles on the Moskovskij Komsomolets, Argumenty i Fakty, and REN TV. Way more than sufficient to show WP:NBIO. Broc (talk) 12:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep. The sources on this are good. For a Russian crime topic, probably above average. As far as I can see, everything is cited. What? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Russia Air Force Tupolev Tu-22M crash[edit]

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Fails WP:EVENTS: no WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE or WP:LASTING effects. Rosbif73 (talk) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect to List of aircraft losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War. The accident does not have sustained continued coverage with a lack of reliable (secondary) sources and no clear notability established other than the type of aircraft itself. A merge and redirect to List of aircraft losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War would be the preferable solution as the event does not warrant a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to extant entry at List of aircraft losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War. Wikipedia is not a news host, and there is nothing particularly notable or enduring about the coverage of this loss in comparison to the hundreds of others without articles. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Francois Esterhuyzen[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this routine news piece and a few interviews in Russian-language media (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think there's enough in the Russian coverage to suggest a weak keep for WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luhansk People's Republic–Russia relations[edit]

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Does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Aldij (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Keep - has articles in two non-English portals of Wikipedia, has plenty of room for expansion and a fair amount of relevant sources. Sufficiently notable.
Brat Forelli🦊 01:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gemma Khalid[edit]

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Significance for WP:BIO is not visible.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added some references from the corresponding article in Russian. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrey Shishkin[edit]

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Self-proclaimed painter. No notability, no significant achievements, no reliable art criticism. Cross-wiki spam. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The article seems to cite reliable sources (academic articles), but I can't be bothered to go through the steps needed to machine translate PDFS (hence, comment, not a vote). However, source analysis is necessary to prove that notability is not given here - the nom makes such a claim but does not provide analysis of sources. It may also be worthwhile to check concurrent discussion at ru:Википедия:К_удалению/14_мая_2024#Шишкин,_Андрей_Алексеевич. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- These sources are not academic in the full sense of the word. They are published in the collections of articles everybody can submit for a a small amount of money, their only author is a local schoolteacher, not an expert in art (this was the main reason for deletion in Russian wikipedia). Not a single art institution knows this painter, no exhibitions, no art criticism. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. What is a non-self-proclaimed painter? Is it when someone is actually not a painter, but is called such by someone's else? Isn't that called hoax then? Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Non-self-proclaimed painter is the painter whose works are in museums and acclaimed galleries, reviewed with art critics and art historians, published in esteemed editions. Wikipedia is for collecting information about this kind of authors. This is what the criteria of notability are about. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 10:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AGAINST Ты что, коммунист? что с тобой не так ??? << самопровозглашенный художник >> не можешь терпеть приличное искусство, настоящее, душевное искусство? ахуенный ... 98.240.113.219 (talk) 22:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting again due to lack of civil participation. This article seems to be about a painter but the discussion is more charged than one would expect for a borderline notable painter so I'm guessing there is more involved with his reputation than their artistic skills. A reminder, this is the English Wikipedia, please offer your opinions in English.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

very sorry sir just his name is russian i wanted to reply like this i found it to be more pertinent

romanenko's remarks are laced with vitriol below the surface and betray a certain negative attitude, which he also expressed on ruwiki, where he was unfortunately successful in having the corresponding article deleted

@Андрей Романенко tell me that over four hundred paintings like this and reference to your work in scholarly papers is not a 'significant achievement'

how can you call him a 'self-proclaimed painter' looking at the exemplars of his work ???

i have seen on the english-speaking internet several memes using his painting Благословение ратника

this one for example https://ifunny.co/picture/how-it-feels-to-inherit-the-family-suicide-revolver-aUDIhr0PA

they're hard to find by searching, because of course the name and author of the painting are not provided

more professional websites where his work is posted

https://www.rbth.com/arts/335686-ancient-east-slavs-art

https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/41202

https://christian.art/daily-gospel-reading/luke-2-22-40-2020/

the followers of the rabbi yeshua really like his admittedly charming depiction by the avowed pagan shishkin

some private blogs

https://www.livemaster.com/topic/2998743-legends-and-stories-of-the-artist-andrey-shishkin

https://art-in-eastern-europe.blogspot.com/2016/09/andrey-shishkin.html

not enough criticism for you ? tell me again how he is a 'self-proclaimed painter'

have you painted a wall ? 98.240.113.219 (talk) 03:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- The fact that someone's pictures are available in the Web at different obscure websites does not make their authors notable, neither does being mentioned in nobody knows whose blogs. No exhibtions in any known galleries, no works in museums, no art criticism in any known editions, no catalogues, no prizes, no place in professional art community, zero level of notability. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 10:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  We have already in the article sources from academic journals.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals
  
  This guideline applies to authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals. Such a person is notable if:
  
  The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; or
  
  The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique; or
  
  The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series); or
  
  The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
  
  Shishkin is one of the leading figures in pagan / Slavic fantasy art in Russia, a collective body of work, and he is prominently featured in these papers, which are cited in the article. So does he not meet the third criterion ? 98.240.113.219 (talk) 21:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - - Writings of a local schoolteacher published in insignificant editions where authors themselves are paying for publication (see here for instance) are not qualified to determine whether the painter played a major role in anyhting or not. However, the author (A. Gizbrecht) does not claim anything about Shishkin at all, he just briefly mentions several of his paintings. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Were the authors "local schoolteachers" or not?
      
      And you must know that every scientific paper charges some fee to publish
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_processing_charge
      
      98.240.113.219 (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Many good journals do not have apc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Surikov (diplomat)[edit]

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Recently deceased Russian diplomat. Sources found in article and BEFORE fail WP:SIRS. Source eval:

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Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	1. www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject.	2. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 29, 2017 No. 348 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Mozambique”" . Archived from the original on 2019-01-26 . Retrieved 2017-09-14 .
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject.	3. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of February 16, 2018 No. 76 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Kingdom of Swaziland on a part-time basis”" . Archived from the original on 2018-02-16 . Retrieved 2018-02-16 .
Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	4. ^ www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .
Obit based on government sources, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	5. ^ "Russian Ambassador to Mozambique Died" . TACC (in Russian) . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .

BEFORE found name mentions and government statements they released, and an interview, nothing meet WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from independent reliable sources. // Timothy :: talk 02:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: First and foremost, lower your tone while nominating the article for deletion. Secondly, government decrees can be used as secondary sources as if you can type the full name in a Russian, many sources will pop up, (in Russian of course), apart from the official government statement. Here's my third point, he is the ambassador to Mozambique, the highest office of any diplomat in office. Would you delete the ambassador of the United States of Mozambique for that reason? Ivan Milenin (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

he is the ambassador to Mozambique, the highest office of any diplomat in office Ambassadors are not inherently notable, several hundred have been deleted. LibStar (talk) 03:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 3 of the sources are primary. The other is routine coverage of his unfortunate death. Fails WP:BIO. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 03:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I'm leaning to keep, but if if it's drafted... I wouldn't be surprised as well.Ivan Milenin (talk) 05:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Discussion leans delete at the time of this relist, but further participation would be beneficial for establishing a clear consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I decided to keep because even if the some coverage had been lacking, I found some source that could suffice these... [1] [2] [3] Ivan Milenin (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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カ・ア・セメンジャーエフ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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Collection of bad WP:RFOREIGN. The target is not Chinese, Greek or Japanese and seems to have no connection to the three countries. I excluded all Latin alphabet redirects to the same target from this nom, but they definitely need some scrutiny. I don't have the knowledge to tell which of the multiple romanizations used is correct or not and I want to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK so, if anyone else wants to deal with that mess, be my guest. Nickps (talk) 22:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The following translits are also not really useful due to diacritics: Konstantin Adolfovič Semendjajew, Konstantin Adol'fovič Semendjaev, Konstantin Adolʹfovič Semendjaev. --Викидим (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some transliteration schemes include diacritics, some don't. Unfortunately, there is no one universal scheme and there have been many changes over the decades, so if we want people to get successfully redirected to our article no matter what variant they find in their texts we have to cover them all. Redirects are cheap. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are thousands of active languages in the world, so we will have to put a limit somewhere. The redirects that an English speaker might find useful are the ones they can likely experience in English-language literature, this includes Cyrillics and various transliterations into English. English alphabet does not include diacritics, so transliteration using it is highly unlikely to be useful to them. Викидим (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. These are all spellings of the name actually used in various foreign-language publications of the author now or at some point in the past. Without them, people using foreign-language editions of these books will have almost no chance to find our article about the author. That's what redirects are used for per WP:REDIR. If we delete them we gain nothing, but only make it more difficult or next to impossible for our readers to use Wikipedia successfully for their purposes, in particular in case of names originating in foreign languages. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This Wikipedia is written for English speakers. For them, these redirects are very obscure synonyms and therefore don't need to exist. If lots of English speakers read the Chinese version of the subject's work (or are familiar enough with it to search for his name in that language), a redirect from his name is Chinese would be appropriate but this has not been demonstrated. Nickps (talk) 12:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't those people using foreign-language editions of the books be using... I dunno... the foreign-language versions of Wikipedia? If the Japanese, Chinese, and Russian versions of the wiki don't have information on Konstantin, the answer isn't to put a foreign-language redirect on the English wiki-- it's to translate the English wiki's page to the target language, and put it on the foreign-language version of the site. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...it only just occurred to me that the redirects at question are Chinese, Japanese, and Greek, not Chinese, Japanese, and Russian. Got lightly confused because the target article we're talking about is a Russian name. That said... We've got a Greek Wikipedia, too. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per WP:RLANG and my comment(s) above. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as argued in WP:RLANG. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 20:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per RLANG, redirects are intended for English-language speakers, and people searching terms from foreign-language publications should use the Wikipedia editions in their respective languages. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

イ・エヌ・ブロンシュテイン → Ilya Nikolaevich Bronshtein (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:RFOREIGN. The target has no mention of Japan or the subject's relation with it. Nickps (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to #P as, at the very least, a plausible typo. Frank Anchor 15:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you intended to place this !vote on P♯'s RfD. Nickps (talk) 16:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Viktor Bolkhovsky[edit]

2024 Russia Air Force Tupolev Tu-22M crash[edit]

Francois Esterhuyzen[edit]

Luhansk People's Republic–Russia relations[edit]

Gemma Khalid[edit]

Andrey Shishkin[edit]

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