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Food and drink[edit]

Bacon Cajun Ranch McCrispy[edit]

Bacon Cajun Ranch McCrispy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication of notability. A BEFORE has shown no sources that establish it. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 18:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete a limited time fast food item has no place as a standalone article. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete or Redirect Limited time item with no analysis of cultural impact. Article is not ready. Evident to me that the user is currently just messing around on Wikipedia given edit summaries and uploads of images. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per 1ctinus and Classicwiki. Doubtful that the article creator's account will be around much longer. Wikishovel (talk) 06:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And now the article's been speedy deleted G5. "I guess that concludes negotiations." Wikishovel (talk) 17:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fish market (Nouakchott)[edit]

Fish market (Nouakchott) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The Nouakchott fish market, though often highlighted in travel guides covering the city, doesn't possess the sufficient secondary coverage, distinctive traits, or historical importance required for a Wikipedia article. The potential for substantial expansion beyond a rudimentary description is minimal. Mooonswimmer 04:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Hudson, Peter (1990). "The fish market". Travels in Mauritania. London: Virgin Books. ISBN 978-1-85227-127-5. Retrieved 2024-05-14.

      Chapter 5 of the book begins on page 57 and is called "The fish market". The Google Snippet view of the book notes: "The fish market. I had been in the habit now and again of going to the fish market on the beach outside Nouakchott. I would take one of the shared taxis out there, small green Renaults seemingly held together more by the determination of their drivers than by anything else. ... Immediately a fierce wind would hit the side of the taxi, veering it across the road to just miss a pick-up truck returning from the fish market with twenty-five people standing hugged together in the back, which fortunately had been on a westward lurch itself at the same moment, and accordingly we did not crash. ..."

    2. Learoussy, Hana Youssef; Tfeil, H.; Dartige, Ali Yahya; Aarab, Lotfi (2020). "Empirical analysis of halieutic products marketing system in Nouakchott". Journal of Applied Science and Environmental Studies. Vol. 1, no. 1. Sidi Mohamed Ben Abdellah University. pp. 37–52. ISSN 2605-7565. Archived from the original on 2024-05-14. Retrieved 2024-05-14.

      The article is also available here. The abstract notes: "This paper examines the marketing system for fish products at the Nouakchott fish market."

      The journal article notes: "The Nouakchott fish market is the largest market for halieutic products and one of the focal points for fishermen landing on the west coast of the capital. ... The choice of the Nouakchott fish market as a study area has been adopted one by its geographical position which is located near the center of the capital, and other by, the seat of the majority and the largest factories of processing of fishing products (wholesalers). ... There is at market level an external facility consisting of bench dedicated to retailers and people responsible for scaling fish, and a building (headquarters of semi-wholesalers) consisting of storage rooms products in large enough quantity. In the same zone, there are 12 wholesalers (private fish processing factories), these factories are private establishments that process, package and store halieutic products before exporting them. ... Table 1 describe the different species inventoried by the survey and marketed in Nouakchott fish market (during the investigationthe species names were presented in French, mostly in Wolof language because it’s most known between merchants cause of the dominance of this ethnic group between fisher)."

    3. "Une délégation de la Banque Mondiale se rend au marché aux poissons de Nouakchott" [A delegation from the World Bank went to the Nouakchott fish market] (in French). Mauritanian News Agency. 2020-02-24. Archived from the original on 2024-05-14. Retrieved 2024-05-14.

      The article notes: "Une délégation de la Banque Mondiale, présidée par Mme Deborah L. Wetzel, directrice de l’intégration régionale pour l’Afrique, le Moyen-Orient et l’Afrique du Nord, s’est rendue lundi, au marché aux poissons de Nouakchott, où elle s’est rendue dans les hangars d’étal des produits et à la plage de débarquement des pirogues de pêche traditionnelle. ... Dans le cadre du soutien des infrastructures du secteur de la pêche, une enceinte d’une longueur de 3,5 km et composée d’une grande entrée et de 5 voies de sortie a été réalisée autour de l’aire maritime du marché de poissons de Nouakchott. ... Le programme a également financé la consolidation de l’énergie électrique du marché, au moyen de l’installation de 5 stations et d’un réseau d’éclairage public, un réseau d’adduction en eau et la construction de 300 habitations pour les habitants résidant au marché et qui sont au nombre de 8.000 personnes."

      From Google Translate: "A delegation from the World Bank, chaired by Ms. Deborah L. Wetzel, director of regional integration for Africa, the Middle East and North Africa, visited the Nouakchott fish market on Monday, where she visited the product stalls and the landing beach for traditional fishing canoes. ... As part of supporting infrastructure for the fishing sector, a 3.5 km long enclosure consisting of a large entrance and 5 exit routes was built around the maritime area of the fish market. from Nouakchott. The program also financed the consolidation of the market's electrical energy, through the installation of 5 stations and a public lighting network, a water supply network and the construction of 300 homes for residents. residing at the market and numbering 8,000 people."

    4. "Mauritanie: la pénurie de poisson s'aggrave à Nouakchott" [Mauritania: fish shortage worsens in Nouakchott] (in French). Radio France Internationale. 2019-08-23. Archived from the original on 2020-02-22. Retrieved 2024-05-14.

      The article notes: "Le principal marché aux poissons de Nouakchott, généralement très animé, est affecté par la baisse de ses activités de pêche. Des centaines de pirogues sont immobilisées sur le rivage depuis la Tabaski, qui a occasionné le départ massif des pécheurs mauritaniens et sénégalais, partis dans leurs familles pour la fête de l’Aïd el-Kébir. En nombre réduit, les pécheurs restés en activité ne peuvent pas assurer l’approvisionnement régulier du marché."

      From Google Translate: "The main fish market in Nouakchott, usually very lively, is affected by the decline in its fishing activities. Hundreds of canoes have been immobilized on the shore since Tabaski, which caused the massive departure of Mauritanian and Senegalese fishermen, who left to return to their families for the Eid el-Kébir celebration. In reduced numbers, the fishermen who remain active cannot ensure regular supplies to the market."

    5. Mills, Greg; Herbst, Jeffrey; Obasanjo, Olusegun; Davis, Dickie (2017). Making Africa Work: A Handbook for Economic Success. London: Hurst & Company. p. 246. ISBN 978-1-84904-873-6. Retrieved 2024-05-14 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "Nouakchott's fish market at the Plage des Pêcheurs (the fishermen's beach) is a place of great energy. Teams of men, some in oilskins, most barefoot, heave colourfully decorated pirogues up the beach. Others store away outboard engines and pack handmade nets. Boys and girls sell drinks and food, and donkey carts lug bags and boxes of fish. The concrete tables in the marketplace are piled with fish, the floor littered with discarded heads and entrails, while traders seal cooler boxes for the refrigerated trucks parked outside."

    6. Pitcher, Gemma (2007) [1977]. Lonely Planet Africa (11 ed.). Footscray, Victoria: Lonely Planet. p. 424. ISBN 978-1-74104-482-9. Retrieved 2024-05-14 – via Internet Archive.

      The book notes: "Don't ever think of leaving the city without a visit to the extremely colourful fish market (Port de Pêche), about 5km from the centre. You'll see hundreds of teams of men dragging in heavy hand-knotted fishing nets on the beach and small boys hurrying back and forth with trays of fish. The best time is between 4pm and 6pm, when the fishing boats return - unforgettable!"

    7. Ham, Anthony (2013). West Africa (8 ed.). Footscray, Victoria: Lonely Planet. p. 239. ISBN 978-1-74179-797-8. Retrieved 2024-05-14 – via Internet Archive.

      The book notes: "Although it's not a highlight of the country, Nouakchott is sleepily idiosyncratic and you could do worse than spend an afternoon at the gloriously frantic fish market (one of the busiest in West Africa), ..."

    8. Phillips, Matt (2007). The Africa Book: A Journey Through Every Country in the Continent. Footscray, Victoria: Lonely Planet. pp. 50–51. ISBN 978-1-74104-602-1. Retrieved 2024-05-14 – via Internet Archive.

      The book notes on page 50: "Nouakchott, the capital, is a discombobulating city that reflects the geographical duality of the country. Though it's only five kilometres inland from the Atlantic, it's more a city of the interior than of the coast — yet it boasts the most active fish market in West Africa."

      The book notes on page 51: "Nouakchott's fish market is the most colourful in West Africa."

    9. Ould Ahmed Salem, Zekeria (2009). "Les écueils du "partenariat": l'Union européenne et les accords de pêche avec l'Afrique" [The pitfalls of "partnership": The European Union and the fisheries agreements with Africa]. Politique Africaine N-116 : Gouverner la mer. Etats, pirates, sociétés [African Policy N-116: Governing the Sea. States, Pirates, Companies] (in French). Éditions Karthala. p. 40. ISBN 978-2-8111-0327-9. Retrieved 2024-05-14.

      The book notes: "Du reste, certaines des réalisations visées ont déjà été accomplies: le marché aux poissons de Nouakchott, par exemple, a été construit par le Japon il y a plusieurs années et fonctionne normalement."

      From Google Translate: "Moreover, some of the targeted achievements have already been accomplished: the Nouakchott fish market, for example, was built by Japan several years ago and is functioning normally."

    10. Learoussy, Hana Youssef; Tfeil, Hasni; Dartige, Aly Yahya; Aarab, Lotfi (2022). "Histamine content in fresh and frozen pelagic species from the Mauritanian Atlantic Coast". Emirates Journal of Food and Agriculture. doi:10.9755/ejfa.2022.v34.i8.2920. ProQuest 2731816705.

      The article notes: "Hundred and eight frozen and fresh pelagic of scombroid and non-scombroid species were collected from the Nouakchott fish market (Mauritanian Atlantic coast) in different period of 2020 and 2021. ... No significant variation in histamine levels between scombroid and non-scombroid fish species was obtained; thereby, the study showed that fish product commercialized at the Nouakchott fish market have a good quality and safe for human consumption. ... Samples were purchased from the Nouakchott fish market, which is the landing site of artisanal fishing practitioners (18°05'35'N; 16°01'34'W)."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the fish market in Nouakchott to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 08:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per Cunard's research. Obviously a very notable fish market. A frivolous nomination. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brewing alcohol in Colditz[edit]

Brewing alcohol in Colditz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I can't see why this would be forked. The prose is bad, and this could easily be cut down and mentioned in Olflag IV-C Oflag IV-C, which it is. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 19:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify about the timeline, I did not notice that the original creator had edited the article one minute before I added the {{Story}} tag as there was an edit conflict I didn't see. I also did not notice that they had edited it after I placed that tag when I nominated it here. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 19:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Puddingstone Distillery[edit]

Puddingstone Distillery (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:CORP. Insufficient significant independent coverage. Uhooep (talk) 20:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eat This Much[edit]

Eat This Much (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not appear to meet WP:PRODUCT at the moment, unfortunately. The CNN article seems borderline, but I could not find anything else meeting even that standard. Broader topic of "meal planning service" might satisfy NLIST though, in which case it may be possible to mention and redirect it there in the future. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 04:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Chargrill Charlie's[edit]

Chargrill Charlie's (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCOMPANY, lacks WP:CORPDEPTH. Noting the company’s website is a primary source and not independent. Previous PROD removed by anon IP, possible WP:SOCKPUPPET, without addressing the issue of notability. The article’s creator is currently blocked for disrupting other articles. Anon IP is potentially working around current block. Dan arndt (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, and Australia. Dan arndt (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Most of the issues raised in the nom are not themselves justification for deleting the article. The current sourcing is poor but I have been able to find quite a bit of decent coverage such as this from the Financial Review, Mosman Living, Hospitality magazine, and the Sydney Morning Herald. This was from a fairly quick search. AusLondonder (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep: The article needs improving but a Google search found a number of sources that can contribute towards establishing notability under WP:NCORP. GMH Melbourne (talk) 15:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Conducted a BEFORE and found some useful sources. X (talk) 18:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to PAG Asia Capital. This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. In plain English, this means that references cannot rely *only* on information provided by the company - such as what seems to be the case here where most of the references rely entirely on information from the execs or the company. The references included above are thinly disguised promos or regurgitated company announcements or PR - I mean the articles in hospitality magazine (almost entirely consiste of quotes from company exec) and Goodfood (7 sentences, 2 of which are direct quotes) both use the same (PR supplied) pic even though they're written 3 years apart and neither of them come anywhere close to meeting ORGIND and CORPDEPTH. None of the references come close and I cannot locate anything on this company that meets GNG/NCORP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighKing (talk • contribs) 18:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: An analysis of the sources presented in this AfD would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 11:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://chargrillcharlies.com/about-us No No Yes ✘ No
https://www.businessnewsaustralia.com/articles/chargrill-charlie-s-acquired-by-owner-of-red-rooster--oporto.html Yes ? Yes ? Unknown
https://www.afr.com/companies/retail/from-one-chicken-shop-to-a-private-equity-buyout-20230509-p5d6vb Yes (not in article) Yes Yes ✔ Yes
https://www.hospitalitymagazine.com.au/achieving-sustainable-growth-slow-steady-expansion/ Yes (not in article) ? Yes ? Unknown
https://mosmanliving.com.au/chargrill-charlies-is-on-the-move/ Yes (not in article) ? Yes ? Unknown
https://www.smh.com.au/goodfood/eating-out/chargrill-charlies-expands-across-sydneys-eastern-suburbs-20200731-h1ppoi.html Yes (not in article) Yes Yes ✔ Yes
https://www.broadsheet.com.au/melbourne/event/free-chicken-chargrill-charlies Yes (not in article) Yes Yes ✔ Yes
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/more-chicks-for-justin-bieber-in-sydney-and-this-time-hes-eating-em/news-story/a00718e1e33d00d58b7895bbe6415594 Yes (not in article) Yes Yes ✔ Yes
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/dataroom/craveable-brands-sale-cooking-after-pag-buys-chargrill-charlies/news-story/cb9cb29ab2eec4c7561e91d9ad491440 Yes (not in article) Yes Yes ✔ Yes
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/push-to-get-chargrill-charlies-infamous-black-vip-card-extended-to-punters-not-just-vip/news-story/9bf04192df1beaa3e1371671c73f14d2 Yes (not in article) Yes Yes ✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Biscuit warmer[edit]

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No suitable sources. Only source is an online shop selling the product. No indication of meeting WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 20:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this item has a long history. There are any number of auction catalogs, and there are probably examples in the collections of multiple museums. There's a good likelihood that it is covered in books about antique sterling, silverplate, tableware. Unfortunately I'm not easily finding them online with previews. I think this might require a trip to an actual library. Valereee (talk) 11:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep, obviously a real kitchen item with a source. Per Valereee, this is an item found in antique stores. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Did I suggest it wasn't real? We still need significant coverage in secondary sources, whether a topic is real or not... AusLondonder (talk) 17:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, the internet via a Google search has numerous pages listing biscuit warmers for sale. There are even YouTube videos on them. These are as commonplace in kitchens as frying pans. — Maile (talk) 02:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And how does this address GNG sourcing requirements? Sales listings are clearly not suitable sources. AusLondonder (talk) 17:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Archive.org has a lot of hits, but not a lot of description, probably because it's a tool not requiring a lot of explanation. There are also multiple types, e.g., a commercial warmer with heat element, an appliance suitable for warming biscuits[1], a cozy-type crocheted covers, and a piece of silverware. Here are the best sources I could find (not much):
  • Helliwell, Understanding antique silver plate ("shell-fluted biscuit warmer by James Dixon and Sons of Sheffield (see page 219). The two lids drop down to reveal compartments with hinged, pierced covers. Hot biscuits or muffins were stored inside the closed compartments and placed before an open fire, ensuring that the contents maintained their warmth These spectacular pieces are now so popular they are being reproduced. Luckily modern copies are easily recognisable, as their cast handles and feet lack the crisp detail of the originals")
  • San Rafael Daily Independent described as a popular item in a marketplace for hand-crocheted items
  • Kingston Daily Freeman describing an appliance as "costing no more than an ordinary biscuit warmer"
@User:Wallclockticking can you give us some input into how you decided to write this article, and whether you used an AI text generator? The text is very smooth and generic, and it's hard to understand the decision to use, as the single source, a commercial kitchenware sales link that doesn't have a lot of content. Frankly I'm wondering if the article may have been created to support the advertising link at bottom. Do you have a relationship, paid or otherwise, with Smart Buffet Ware? Did you use an AI text generation tool? Oblivy (talk) 03:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unlikely this person was paid. Looks like they just have an interest in cooking or food. They also have Draft:Bread fork. — Maile (talk) 03:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Bread fork was created with one cite to a museum page, and two blog pages including an extremely ad-laden https://www.cocoaandheart.co.uk. There's also Draft:Spaghetti spoon which was created with a link to a sales site. And while the edit pattern has recently been about cooking or food, the main body of work has been BLP articles[2][3][4][5].
    Some of those BLP articles, now deleted for notability, have been the subject of UPI allegations like this AfD and this talk page comment. Vince Dao still bears an UPI template, which hasn't been addressed by @Wallclockticking. Such accusations are easy to make and we can't see the deleted articles so take a Salt spoon of salt with these allegations Oblivy (talk) 04:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be frank, I have nothing to say to you. The last time a page I created was put up for deletion and I tried defending the page, I was tagged a paid editor for putting up an effort to stop a page I wasted my time to create from being deleted. I learnt my lesson and now I don't care about these debates anymore. I just want to edit Wikipedia because I find it therapeutic and it makes me feel like I am making an impact in the world. Bye. Wallclockticking (talk) 20:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You cited one source, a single online seller's website that doesn't support the article material, and I wanted to know why. I still want to know, and no, you don't have to answer me. But I would think that as someone who wants to make an impact you might like to participate here, to help move the debate towards a keep consensus.
    I was trying to stop this article from getting deleted, by looking up sources. It was only after @Maile66 suggested you were into cooking/food that I looked through your edit history and saw a pattern of having pages challenged for poor sourcing, including under circumstances where other editors questioned whether you are being paid. You didn't address the concerns then either which, again, is your prerogative but why write articles only to see them challenged and potentially deleted? Oblivy (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I beg your pardon, but it is clear above, that my comment was in defense of the editor, following your comment suggesting User:Wallclockticking was a paid editor. — Maile (talk) 21:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. You said he might be into cooking/food meaning not a paid editor. But your comment prompted me to look more deeply into the edit history (in fact, I had noted the commercial link on Spaghetti spoon already) Oblivy (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    FWIW, if examples or an item are in the collection of a museum, it's quite likely a notable item. Oblivy, what museum page are you looking at for Bread fork? I'm not easily finding it in the history. Valereee (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Notability rules demand text describing the item at some level of detail. It's likely the silverplate item is in museums but biscuit warmers as a category aren't. Think of it like WP:NLIST - are people writing about the group of items as a group? If not the group name isn't notable.
    The museum page for "bread fork" is FN1 on Draft:Bread fork which is a cite to the V&A museum. Archive.org has sales catalogs with the term. These[6][7] may be something, but the first is two sentences and the second is an ad. Although I find WP:DICDEF is often misapplied here at AfD, that one seems to fit the bill. Oblivy (talk) 22:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I was able even to find an explicit definition (in a non-advert part of few newspapers, one listed). For the ones looking for more: concentrate on post-war USA, where multiple households were entering the middle class, and ladies of the house needed to figure out their new kitchen needs. --Викидим (talk) 01:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I do lean towards keep. A real-world item. 扱. し. 侍. (talk) 09:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without prejudice to creating Folding biscuit box with a redirect. Alternatively article could be kept and then reduced to a stub limited to what can be documented with WP:RS.
    @Викидим made some edits that led me to search for "folding biscuit box". It's the Victorian silver plate fireside warmer shown in the Helliwell book, and other silver collector guides have good information under that name:
Those don't support notability of the current article topic, because it describes a variety of things. For example, the sales site (which I removed as it was devoid of relevant content) showed a catering item with an electric heating element. Some are insulated. Some 50's-style multifunction appliances appear in search results because they can be used as a biscuit warmer. And the silver-plate ones are meant to be put by the fire. I can only find significant coverage for the last one, and nothing talking about all these different things as a group. Putting them together, even if the same name is used for all, has elements of WP:SYNTH.
@Викидим you added a link to a Bakersfield Californian article, which you describe as a definition in a newspaper. I can't find that source. Can you give us more detail? Oblivy (talk) 07:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a short anonymous entry in a newspaper, among other advice to housewives. Nothing is directly promoted in this section, no brands are mentioned, the section consists of the definition that I paraphrased in the article. You can search and read the US newspapers in the Newspaper Archive (free access through the Wikipedia Library program) to see for yourself. I would not start an article myself based on just this source, as it would be close to WP:NOTDICTIONARY, however, I still support keeping what we have, as sources for everyday items can be usually found. Definitions are harder to come by, that's why I am happy that I have found one, even though it obviously does not cover large industrial-size machines. Викидим (talk) 08:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just responded to you at Talk:Biscuit warmer. Perhaps we can agree it can be kept, but I think it should be limited to the silver plate item and we can jettison the rest. Wikipedia doesn't need to cover everything even if WP:ITEXISTS (and the name is self-descriptive if encountered in the wild). Oblivy (talk) 08:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support your position: keep the silver piece portion, delete other unsourced material. Викидим (talk) 09:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article as it has now been rewritten with a narrower scope, citing multiple reliable sources that describe the item in significant detail (relatively, for a kitchen utensil). Oblivy (talk) 23:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Flynn (businessman)[edit]

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Most news seems to be about his company Flynn Group and its restaurants/ acquisitions rather than him. He was briefly in the news regarding the California minimum wage issues and seems to be only known for that. Shinadamina (talk) 05:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The company this individual founded, not the founder himself, is what is notable here. A review of the citations here only shows there are few that provide in-depth coverage of this individual. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 23:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Only 1 source is in-depth which is Forbes. The rest are interviews or passing mentions. I vote to delete. Rustypenguin (talk) 09:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agree with above editors. Although there is some news coverage, they are not the right type of coverage. They are mostly interviews, quotations and primary. Perfectstrangerz (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Greg-Flynn-Owns-1-245-Restaurants-and-Makes-2-13900429.php SFGate gives significant coverage about him and his accomplishments. Dream Focus 18:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The SFGate Article also contains many quotations and appears to be based on an interview. It is unfortunate that wiki policies do not count interviews towards notability, but we must follow the policies. Rustypenguin (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see Wikipedia:Interviews#Notability. I don't see anywhere against interviews being used to determine notability. Coverage is coverage. A reliable source thought they notable enough to cover, then that counts. Dream Focus 01:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep So, the sources are really obvious and are already in the article. I was planning on adding these really in depth and obvious indicators of notability to the article, but they were already there, leaving me perplexed.
These sources are entirely about his life. Yes, they're also going to talk about the company he founded that literally is named after him. The fact that he founded such a successful business is what makes him notable. And, yes, news articles about people are going to include quotes from them. That doesn't make them interview articles. An interview is an article that is entirely just question and response. None of these are that. The claims made by those above would be equivalent to saying Jeff Bezos isn't notable because any article about him is also going to discuss Amazon. It's nonsense. That's not how notability works. SilverserenC 23:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep enough of the sources have in depth coverage of Greg Flynn. Zenomonoz (talk) 02:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 06:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The Forbes might be OK, I guess, the first few paragraphs look fine, and given it's written by staff it's RS. QSR, I can't see any sign of independent thought. I'm skeptical it even counts as an RS tbh, WTWH seems to be a brand marketing company? Editorial process? Random Entrepreneur contributors are similarly not even RS, at least the Forbes article was written by bylined staff. Even if we pretend both are RS, what's independent isn't significant, and what's significant isn't independent, they're entirely unusable. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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