Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terran Federation (Starship Troopers)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Clear consensus to keep, and the original reason specified in the nomination no longer applies. Further discussions can occur on the talk page Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 15:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Terran Federation (Starship Troopers)[edit]

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Completely unreferenced. Ryan4314 (talk) 14:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is the third AfD on this article. Previous ones were either keep or no concensus. Unless the quality of the article has deteriorated then what is the merit of a further nomination? NtheP (talk) 14:15, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No improvement in over a year - lacks any references. Ryan4314 (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is not factually accurate as the article contains citations from published books. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 18:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unreferenced, possible original research. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The problem lies in the lack of references rather than in any supposed original research. Most of the information in the article can also be found in the book, but there are no references to support them. --UNSC Trooper (talk) 15:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or keep referenced now. Ikip 18:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin this page has gone through significant improvements since nomination.[1]Ikip 18:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Starship Troopers. That article already offers appropriate real-world treatment of the topic. There seems to be some real-world smidgen of something at the bottom of the TF article; that might be worth merging somewhere in Starship Troopers. Fascism in the works of Robert Heinlein might be an appropriate spin-out article, but there's no need for a single article on this one item. --EEMIV (talk) 18:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I wonder if the nominator would support a merge/redirect, User:UNSC Trooper? Ikip 18:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'll support a merge, if only the referenced stuff goes through. Ryan4314 (talk) 19:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep as an earlier discussion closed as keep and a second discussion also did not result in deletion and as Ikip points out the article is indeed referenced through published books. At worst we would merge the information somewhere and the suggestion above about Fascism in the works of Robert Heilein is worthy of consideration per WP:PRESERVE. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 19:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That would be very problematic and extremely POV. All allegations of fascism directed at Starship Troopers are limited to ambiguous comparisons to Nazi Germany's uniforms and the Federation's strong emphasis on military discipline. Perhaps Authoritarianism (or militarism) in the works of Robert Heinlein would be more appropriate? --UNSC Trooper (talk) 19:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think anyone's looking at kicking off such an article rightabout now; insofar as this AfD is concerned, looks like it's going to be a selective merge to the novel. A spin-out on the Political ideology in the works of Robert Heinlein is best discussed on the author's or scifo or novel wikiproject page. --EEMIV (talk) 19:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and reference better It is well written but the author should have added a reference for every paragraph, for each of the two main sourced he used. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Though central to Starship Troopers, the concept is present in a great deal of Heinlein's fiction, and the article can & should be expanded accordingly. Strange to repeatedly nominate for deletion the central concept in one of the seminal SF works. BTW, I do not seethe point of predicting in the middle of an AfD how the discussion will turn out DGG ( talk ) 06:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand as this is a concept present in much of Heinlein's literature. Makes no sense to merge or redirect to one novel when the concept is so much a part of numerous other novels and stories by this author. Hint: "Future History". Also happy to note the improvements, even though AFD is not supposed to force such within some arbitrary WP:DEADLINE in contrevention to guideline. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is a reference there to a book discussing the politics of it. Google book search shows other mentions of it [2] and some of those are probably also about it in itself, not just a brief mention of the name when talking about the series. Dream Focus 12:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.