Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blackgate Penitentiary

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. A redirect can be created independently of this AfD. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:20, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blackgate Penitentiary[edit]

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Another Batman-related fictional location that appears in a lot of media, but fails WP:GNG/WP:NFICTION since there is nothing about it outside of the occasional primary-source description. Not sure if there is a valid merge target... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, non-notable. The most mention it gets is in The Essential Batman Encyclopedia, a primary source. It gets little mention in secondary sources, not enough to pass GNG. It's Wikia material._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See Wp:imperfect and wp:PERX. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 16:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Completely non-notable. TTN (talk) 16:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I respectably recommend you to quit saying that per WP:NOTNOTABLE. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 16:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When the topic has no non-primary sources, that is a sufficient summary for deletion. In response to below, the comic space is full of thousands of non-notable articles, and nobody wants to do anything with them. If projects or communities actually cared, then this would be unnecessary. TTN (talk) 16:33, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t know about you but we have been merging countless articles. Granted there is more Marvel fictional stuff than DC that gets looked on to get merged. But it is not fair to say we are not doing anything. I bet I can find a lot of sources for this article at least in name-drop. But I am focusing on sandbox edits related to Superman more than finding articles to save. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 16:38, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I must have merged some 50-100 Marvel super minor characters several years ago, and more than half were undone in the interim. I'm sure merging happens, but it's not at great enough of a rate that it helps with the overarching problem. It also doesn't help that there are several holdover users who really should just move to Fandom or another wiki. It's not like there aren't hundreds of notable characters and topics between DC and Marvel, but there are thousands more that have been sitting and will continue to sit without action. TTN (talk) 16:45, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per Wp:imperfect This is getting ridiculous. This is a major location from the Batman mythos. Just because notability isn’t proven doesn’t meant it’s not. Getting tired of the same editors voting delete on related stuff they they don’t like it. This is coming from someone who likes to merge constantly when he don’t feel it’s notable. Next time why don’t tag the actual editors /WikiProjecters who likes to fix these articles . I hardly noticed these AFD if it wasn’t for a certain concern about other articles being deleted regarding the same users. Also one AFD at a time would be nice so we don’t have to multitask. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 16:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES is not the best argument. Please find some to share with us As for no time to merge, this can be just tagged with 'to be merged per AfD' and left until someone finds the time to merge. It's not like we need to burn it right away. All that said, what do you want to merge and where? This is pure WP:PLOT and 'appeared in those media' list. We just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ace Chemicals as delete/redirect, and I see not a single source suggesting this location is more notable. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:11, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would but I am busy with another article and a sandbox. I guess you foiled me as I am not as concerned with this article than the other ones for now. I wish this AFD purge would calm down though. I was editing an sandbox and then suddenly I am trying to save some articles. It’s stressing. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 02:29, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jhenderson777: No need to get stressed. This can always be soft deleted by redirecting to List of locations of the DC Universe (probably a better result than outright normal delete). You or any other interested editor can merge it in due time, or even restore it if you find sufficient sources for that. It is just that so far nobody has found a single source suggesting this can be more than WP:PLOT. Hence, delete, or soft delete & redurect, seem like the policy-justified choices. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not stressed on this AFD. Stressed one a different one where I tried my best to prove GNG. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 11:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of locations of the DC Universe. It's a valid search term, and we have some information on it. Adding its first appearance and creators would be a nice touch. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Let this page stay. @Jhenderson777: is right about his claim. --Rtkat3 (talk) 20:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Again, there’s no valid rationale here. Sergecross73 msg me 04:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No evidence of meeting the WP:GNG. No evidence of independent notability warranting it’s own spinout article. Sergecross73 msg me 04:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 00:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of locations of the DC Universe as a valid search term. Currently nothing but in-universe info and plot (WP:NOT#PLOT), and trivial appearance information. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No reliable secondary sources means nothing worth preserving. Straightforward failure of WP:GNG--Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is a distinct lack of any kind of information in reliable, secondary sources that goes beyond simple plot summary or trivial mentions, thus failing the WP:GNG. And, as stated by Killer Moff, the utter lack of material sourced to reliable sources means there is nothing to preserve. The proposed List of locations of the DC Universe is, itself, just a mess of non-notable cruft, so redirecting there would be rather pointless. Rorshacma (talk) 16:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.