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Length of lead[edit]
Checking MOS:LEADLENGTH, 3 to 4 paragraphs is apparently normal for an article over 5,000 words. This article has about 8,500 words, according to the automated page stats. I combed through the intro a bit, but a lot of stuff there seemed important. It's currently 5 paragraphs, which even for a topic this important seems excessive to me. If forced to drop it to 3 paragraphs, which the MOS says is typical for featured articles, I'd cut some of the details about history and merge the middle 3 paragraphs into one. Anyone else have any thoughts? 🅲🅻🅴🆃🅴🆁 (a word) 18:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- As a starting point, I merged the third and fourth lead sentences. 🅲🅻🅴🆃🅴🆁 (a word) 18:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2024: Grammar[edit]
Kindly change Protestant to Protestantism in the lead infobox as it's grammatically more appropriate.Tromneck (talk) 11:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 April 2024[edit]
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I'm the environment subheadig hyperlink from Southern highlands and there a citation required for one of the paragraphs. 64.189.18.30 (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Subheading was what I meant. 64.189.18.30 (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 15:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
'Over the next three centuries, Spanish expansion enforced Christianity, spread the Spanish language,...'
Iberians, the concept of Spain came years later after colonisation began, with the assistance of native allies toppled the ruling indigenous empires in the early 1500s and established colonies in slivers of the Americas in the first decades of colonisation, far from the entire continent.
It is estimated that as much as 90% of the native population perished due to diseases rather than warfare so these vast areas not under European rule is what allowed native populations to recover in numbers in the subsequent decades.
This allowed ‘mestizos’, who were of mixed ancestry and outnumbered those who were mostly of European ancestry, to thrive and prosper at the expense of those of mainly native ancestry and gradually assimilated the remaining indigenous population spread across the region in a process that lasted centuries and into the 1800s. By then the main demographic of Iberian colonies would have been Westernised mestizos of varying admixture and indigenous peoples, not people of mostly European ancestry.
There are sources that state that around 60% of the Mexican population spoke a native language in the 1820s, Spanish only became widespread in Latin America after the independence wars were over. So it is erroneous to assert and imply that Spanish was imposed instantly in the 1500s and mostly by those of mainly European ancestry. It was in fact a slow gradual process of assimilation that took centuries and mainly carried out by Westernised Latin Americans of varying ancestry, not too dissimilar to how other indigenous languages would have been disseminated as well.
Official name in Nahuatl[edit]
There's not a single reference to the name "Mēxihcatl Tlacetilīlli Tlahtohcāyōtl", since it was never the official name in Nahuatl of the United Mexican States. Its official name in Nahuatl according to INALI is "Mexika Sentik Wexteyowalko", as you can read here (vocabulary used for the official Nahuatl version of the Mexican constitution). I suggest you add the Maya official name as well, since it is known as "U Múuchꞌ Péetluꞌumiloꞌob México" according to the official Maya version of the constitution which you can read here. Languae (talk) 15:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Battle of the Alamo image[edit]
Regarding the image of Robert Jenkins Vanderdonk's Fall of the Alamo (under History -> Independence era (1808 - 1855), I see several issues with the caption. Firstly, the name of the battle in English is Battle of the Alamo, not Battle of El Álamo. Secondly, the description of the battle as being "between the Mexican army led by President Antonio López de Santa Anna and American slavers" is misleading at best. The fact that many of the leaders of the Texian force at the Alamo were slave owners is irrelevant to the battle itself, and the caption leads readers to believe (falsely) that slavery was the root cause of the battle. The Texas Revolution, which was one of many revolts against the Centralist Republic of Mexico, was a reaction against Santa Anna's dissolution of the Constitution of 1824 in 1835. While slavery had been outlawed by Mexico in 1829, the ban was largely ignored, and Mexico never made any attempts to confiscate slaves from the Texians.
The wording in the caption should be modified such that readers aren't misled as to the purpose of the Texas Revolution - a simple change to something like "Battle of The Alamo (1836), between the Mexican army led by President Antonio López de Santa Anna and Texian rebels" should suffice. 2601:C0:CA80:A5E0:4CF1:7EA1:62F9:A6DE (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- That stood out to me too. As written it suggests that the Texians were attempting to enslave the Mexicans. Ought to be changed to "Texian rebels," and those wishing to learn more about the origins of the Texas revolution can be linked to the appropriate article. Jbt89 (talk) 05:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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