Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Superhero fiction (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Superhero fiction[edit]

Neglected portal.

Three never-updated selected articles from June 2011. One from June that was updated in June 2015. Four never-updated entries from June 2015.

Three never-updated selected characters created in December 2010. Two created in December 2010 and updated in January/February 2011. One created in December 2010 and last updated in September 2011. One created in February 2011 and updated in June 2011. One never-updated entry from 2011. The last three are not transcluded on /Selected character and have no edit button from P:Superhero fiction , so there's no way to update them unless you know where to look.

Two never-updated selected bios created in June 2011. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The portal had a daily average of 25 pageviews in the first half of 2019, as opposed to 345 daily pageviews for the head articles, which is normally not enough to support a portal. There are 8 articles, 8 characters, and 2 biographies, forked between 2011 and 2015, some tweaked through 2018. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. Yet another long-neglected portal, on a topic which is clearly not broad enough to sustain a portal. It is abandoned in every way:

It was created[1] in August 2008 by Blackwatch21 (talk · contribs), whose last edit to any part of the portal was in January 2009 (see Blackwatch21's portal-space contribs). I can see no sign of any prior discussion with any WikiProject. It's just the residue of one editor's short-lived burst of enthusiasm.
There is no sign of any recent maintenance, apart from the usual trivial formatting tweaks.
There has never been any discussion on Portal talk:Superhero fiction. The only post in the page's entire 11-year history is a mass message from User:The Transhumanist (TTH) about the portals project.
The only topic project whose banner is on the talk page is WikiProject Comics. But that project's talk page has only ever had one mention of the portal, a 2011 notification of WP:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Superhero fiction.

I checked whatlinkshere for the Wikipedia talk namespace, and the portal gets no mention on any other project (or any WT page at all).

Superhero fiction would be better covered within the broader topic of Portal:Speculative fiction. No matter what anyone's view is of the theoretical breadth of the topic, the reality of the long decay is that in practice it is a not a broad enough topic to attract enough pro-active maintainers to make it viable. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:13, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks? I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:Speculative fiction), without creating duplicate entries. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:14, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would have supported keeping, given the breadth and quality of articles in its scope, until I saw in the comment above that a Speculative Fiction portal exists, which I feel is not just a 'mother' portal, but also has enough overlap to have justified merging anyway. Kingsif (talk) 18:40, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nominator or Merge to Portal:Speculative fiction. See table below. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speculative Fiction Portals[edit]

Title	Portal Page Views	Article Page Views	Percent	Comments	Articles	Notes	Baseline	Parent Portal	Deleted	Type
Horror fiction	5	671	0.75%	Created 2010 as subportal of Portal:Speculative fiction. No separate articles.			Jan19-Jun19	Speculative fiction	FALSE	Literature
Fantasy	10	1125	0.89%	Created 2010 as subportal of Portal:Speculative fiction. No separate articles.	0		Jan19-Jun19	Speculative fiction	FALSE	Literature
Science fiction	18	2381	0.76%	Originated 2010 as separate subportal. No distinct articles.	0	This is a subportal of Portal:Speculative fiction.	Jan19-Jun19	Speculative fiction	FALSE	Literature
Superhero fiction	25	345	7.25%	Originated 2008 by editor who last edited 2018. 8 articles, 8 characters, 2 biographies. Articles forked between 2011 and 2015, some tweaked through 2018.	18		Jan19-Jun19		FALSE	Literature
Star Wars	26	12711	0.20%	Originated 2005 by editor who last edited 2006. Articles created 2013, not checked as to maintenance.	30		Jan19-Jun19		FALSE	TV and Film
Star Trek	56	5453	1.03%	Originated 2005 by an IP. 20 articles, 20 episodes, 5 characters, 10 races. Spot-check shows articles forked between 2005 and 2009, some edited through 2013, no indication of maintenance between 2013 and Oct.2019.	55	Also has many DYKs, selected anniversaries, selected quotes.	Jan19-Jun19		FALSE	TV and Film
Speculative fiction	62	609	10.18%	Very many anniversaries, Do You Knows. 13 articles, 68 biographies, 17 fantasy works. Subpages are in varying degrees of recency of maintenance, some old, some new. Originated 2005. Science fiction, Horror, and Fantasy are subportals.	98		Jan19-Jun19		FALSE	Literature

Superhero fiction[edit]

Comment - Superhero fiction is poorly maintained. I am normally not in favor of merging portals, but Portal:Speculative fiction has subportal tabs that make it well-designed to merge another portal onto. It is true that Portal:Speculative fiction is also inconsistently maintained. It also has hundreds of subpages because it is another portal that has a subpage for every day of the year. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator, per the delete votes above, and per the fact that there is no good reason to keep such a portal as this. I oppose any merger, as it is just shifting the rot around.
Low page views and the poor condition it is in mean zero value is added by such a portal. There is no policy or guideline which suggests this portal should exist. Portals are not content, like an article is, since they are for navigation instead. It is therefore improper to use rationales meant for keeping articles to argue that this failed navigation device should be kept. There is no reason to think that hoped-for improvements and long-term maintenance will ever materialize anyway, even if promised or done at the last minute just to stave off deletion. Simple assertions that the topic is broad enough are entirely subjective; rather, that it is not broad enough is demonstrated by the lack of pageviews and maintenance. The community's consensus not to delete all portals is not a consensus to keep all portals; instead they are to be evaluated individually, as is being done here. Content forks are worthless, since they go out of date, preserve old and inferior versions of article content, add pointlessly to the maintenance burden, and are vandalism magnets; therefore they should not be saved. I support replacement of links rather than redirection, to avoid surprising our readers. -Crossroads- (talk) 04:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.