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Category:Uncommon Latin letters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete, merging contents to Category:Latin-script letters. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:18, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Support ships[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: manual disperse. bibliomaniac15 02:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: AFAIK, they're one and the same. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:South American tinamous[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency of name. DexDor (talk) 18:53, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nizams Dominion[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Another subcat of Category:Nizams of Hyderabad by the same (blocked) editor as the two below, this one contains a city, two regions, and four former regions. Presumably these correspond to the territory formerly ruled by the Nizam of Hyderabad. I'm not sure what should be done with the category; open to the option of deletion. – Fayenatic London 20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 18:28, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (reaction on suggestion) We do not categorize current places or current areas by former borders. That is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Unsurprisingly, borders of the Hyderabad princely state varied greatly during the centuries of its existence. An article about this territorial evolution would be more useful than a category. Place Clichy (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Redirects from nicknames[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete; could be re-created if someone cares to create Template:R from nickname. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This empty category is covering the same topic as the non-empty newly created one. Template:R from nickname should also be retargeted to Template:R from colloquial name. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 18:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anti-Hindu sentiment[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Anti-Hinduism to Category:Anti-Hindu sentiment. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant, because we already have two other categories for the same phenomenon. Elizium23 (talk) 17:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anti-LGBT sentiment[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Prejudice against LGBT people. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:35, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant, because we already have 3 categories for the same phenomenon. Elizium23 (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:M-Base trumpeters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 4 Rathfelder (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 3 Rathfelder (talk) 15:33, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 Rathfelder (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not significant enough for categorisation. Doesnt merit a category in Category:Jazz genres Rathfelder (talk) 15:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Quality and continuous improvement organizations[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, the scope of the two categories overlaps. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I thought there might be a main article with some distinction but, no, the scope is the same. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Flora of dependencies of Guadeloupe[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a totally unnecessary complication to the category structure. DexDor (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional elderly characters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)q[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Poorly defined category of characteristic that is often not defining, and very unlikely to be anywhere near complete. Who is "elderly"? Is there an age range? How many thousands of fictional people qualify? Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-profit organizations[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep Timrollpickering (talk) 13:50, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Complete list is on the talk page
Top of the US city list:
Complete list is on the talk page
Nominator's rationale: merge. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion in which other editors than me suggested the above merge. Initially I was a bit skeptical about it, until I realized that nonprofit organizations contains nearly all types of organizations except companies and maybe just a few other types. So non-profit organizations is essentially a kind of WP:OCMISC - "all other organizations".
Something specific needs to be said about the U.S. city subcats. There is quite a substantial number of city subcats in Virginia and Washington (state) where there is no Organizations parent category to merge to for that city. In that case I propose a dual merge to the Organizations category of the state and to the broad city category (or if that does not even exist, to the county). For that purpose I've also listed the top of the U.S. city categories up here as an example. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jfhutson, RevelationDirect, Rathfelder, Bibliomaniac15, Oculi, and Peterkingiron: pinging contributors to the previous two discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this is sensible. In USA, as I understand it, there is a legal definition of non-profit, and the term is generally used where in UK we would use the term charity. Rathfelder (talk) 09:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In the US, "companies" can also mean a lot of legal structures (sole proprietorship, LLCs, public, private held, etc.) and we don't think of those as WP:OCMISC. Non-profit can contain religious, charity, fraternal, medical, cemetery and those often line up to legal statuses as well. Not sure if the for profit/non-profit divide is defining though nor am I sure how this looks from a non-US perspective. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't know that much about US categorisations but this sweeping proposal makes no sense to me. Category:Organisations based in Scotland has 47 sub-cats of which non-profits are but one. The latter has 3 sub-cats of its own and arguably could have more. "Nonprofit organizations contains nearly all types of organizations except companies". Really - how about: Public sector organisations; political parties; unincorporated associations, clubs and societies; criminal organisations; charities; trade unions? Ben MacDui 08:57, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • As with any negative definition, the problem is what doesnt go here?Rathfelder (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. As a sociologist, I actually teach about that stuff, though my field is new media (ping User:Pundit, isn't your specialty closer to this?). Anyway, one of the simple divisions of organizations is indeed into non-profit and profit. The logic is imperfect, however, as for example most governmental agencies are technically non-profit but are not called that. Or companies - they technically are Category:Non-governmental organizations but again when we think NGO we don't think Coca-Cola or Samsung are NGOs, we explicitly assume they are non-profit. But non-profit is not the same as non-commercial. This is a complex issue with blurry boundaries, and in the end, since we have an article for Nonprofit organization I think it deserves its own category tree. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Simply deleting the categories may not solve the problem. We abolished all the country subdivisions of Category:Non-governmental organizations and now the main category has filled up with individual organizations. Rathfelder (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why on Earth would "we" make such a stupid decision? Country subdivisions are useful and NGOs are a major grouping of organizations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • For the same reason that these should go. Negatively defined categories get filled up with all sorts of things that dont belong there. Just go and have a look before i empty it again. Rathfelder (talk) 09:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, because I think the current problem is that some of the contents of the "Non-profit organizations" e.g. colleges, universities, art galleries are profit making so are mis-categorized. There are clearly organizatoions that are profit making that aren't companies. Sionk (talk) 10:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Colleges, universities and art galleries (and many similar sorts of organization) have their own categories and are not affected by this nomination. Rathfelder (talk) 15:37, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
THey're currently categorized as "Non-profit organizations", so I beg to differ. Sionk (talk) 23:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Missouri Confederate Civil War regiments[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy procedural close. accidental malformed, duplicate nom (non-admin closure) Hog Farm (talk) 03:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not all of the articles in the category are about regiments, there are artillery batteries and a company in there too, which are not regiments. Hog Farm (talk) 03:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Missouri Confederate Civil War regiments[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 08:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not all of the articles in the category are technically regiments, some are artillery batteries and there's a company in there too. Hog Farm (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, since the two parent categories are both about regiments it is better to keep the name and create a separate 3rd parent Category:Missouri Confederate Civil War units for the artillery batteries and company. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose Categories do not get deleted because they contain some inapt content; they get pruned and other categories get created Hmains (talk) 17:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian Motorsport Hall of Fame inductees[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
The Canadian Motorsport Hall of Fame was established in 1993 to honor Canadians active in auto racing. The organization seems fairly obscure and the articles are already Most of these articles mention the award in passing with other awards, with some exceptions that mention it in the lede or not at all. (Most the articles are so short there's no difference between the body and the intro though.) The contents of the category are already listified here within the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ultimate Fighting Championship Hall of Fame inductees[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 14:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD, WP:OVERLAPCAT)
The UFC Hall of Fame was founded in 2003 and celebrates fighers who competed in the Ultimate Fighting Championship earlier in their career. Except for a couple execs and an announcer, these articles are in Category:Ultimate Fighting Championship male fighters and many are also in Category:Ultimate Fighting Championship champions. Getting this award later for that earlier effort is non-defining. That's reflected in the articles where this award is generally listed in passing with other accomplishments although one enthusiastic editor moved this award into the intro for many articles. The contents of the category are already listified here for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:NTA Film Network[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: purge channels. bibliomaniac15 02:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_June_2#American_television_stations_by_former_network_affiliation ViperSnake151  Talk  01:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep category, purge channels which is the more obvious consequence of the discussion cited by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Purge Nom is conceptually correct, a part time network that only lasted a few years is non0definign to the station. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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