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The result of the discussion was:delete, incredibly vague and subjective, as noted. A sourced list might work better, but would need a better title, and a solid definition of "cruelty". Kbdank71 14:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:Delete - far too subjective to serve as a basis for categorization. Some extremists believe that any use of an animal in film is cruelty. Otto4711 (talk) 13:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Any chance this could be filtered to include only the (non-subjective) subset of films in which animals are actually killed, and renamed accordingly? — CharlotteWebb 14:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be an example where a list would be better. I couldn't see why Week End is there unless humans are included in 'animals' in which case the category would be large indeed. Apocalypse Now took me via a waterbuffalo to American Humane Association ('animals and children') which could do with such a list. 'Films rated unacceptable by the American Humane Association' would be an objective criterion. Occuli (talk) 15:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Week End has some animal slaughter at the end with the hippy-camp section. Lugnuts (talk) 17:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't mentioned in the article which is why I went ahead and removed it. Otto4711 (talk) 22:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I reviewed each of the articles in the category and, after removing those which don't make any mention in the text of animal cruelty allegations, we're left with seven. Six of those include the death of one or more animals and one (Rambo III) mentions the use of trip wires to trip horses but does not indicate that any horses died during production. I note that John Waters adamantly denies that killing the chicken in Pink Flamingos constituted an act of cruelty. I agree that a sourced List of films in which animals were killed in production or something similar would be useful. Since several of these films are non-American I'm uncertain about the idea of embedding it in the AHA article. Otto4711 (talk) 15:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
None of these films are about animal cruelty. I don't know if we even have any articles on films about animal cruelty. Otto4711 (talk) 17:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; unsalvageable as a category because it is essentially an accusation based on a vague, loaded term. A targeted list, as Otto4711 notes above, may be proper, but whether or not one gets created this category should be deleted. Postdlf (talk) 18:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename "Films critisized for animal cruelty" as a much more objective and defined cat. NJGW (talk) 20:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That just opens the floodgates; criticized by whom? Postdlf (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and problems cited above. Also, what constitutes cruelty can differ on a national and cultural basis. PC78 (talk) 11:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the inclusion criteria is too vague and subjective. SkierRMH (talk) 20:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
