Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vancouver Thunderbirds

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The result was delete. Swarm ♠ 03:47, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vancouver Thunderbirds[edit]

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Contested PROD. Non-notable association football club. No RSes and none can be found. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 17:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - playing in the 4th tier of American soccer is enough. Giant Snowman 17:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as per GiantSnowman Spiderone 18:28, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- What is wrong with @GiantSnowman: and @Spiderone:? The team is Canadian, not American. Second, the fourth tier in Canada (or the United States) is not the same as the fourth tier in England, Scotland or any European nation. Teams in third tier receive no media coverage and are not notable. Your milieu is completely wrong and you're making a mess of things by being completely ignorant of these two simple facts. Show me the sources to support your claim that this team is notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that http://pcsl.org/home is a completely amateur league should also be noted. That's the league in which the club plays. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Having lived in Vancouver for 5 months I'm fully aware which country it is in. Playing in an amateur league doesn't matter at all; what matters for soccer clubs is being eligible to play in the National Cup competition, which I understand all Tier 4 teams are. GiantSnowman 10:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - In that case, @GiantSnowman:, I should take you out for a beer, but only five teams are eligible to play in the national cup: the three MLS clubs and the two NASL clubs. See Canadian Championship. This club plays in the Pacific Coast Soccer League. Teams play for The Challenge Trophy, which is a play-off between regional leagues. It is not the national cup (FA Cup, DFB Pokal, etc.). Would you like to change your opinion now? Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:07, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm back living in England now but next time I'm over for sure! Back on topic, I am happy with notabilty, given that clubs in the same league tier can qualify for the national (albeit US) championship - the fact that this club is geographically located in Canada is largely irrelevant given the peculiarities of North American soccer. Giant Snowman 17:11, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        No Canadian teams can qualify for the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup. If a Canadian team places first in MLS or wins its playoffs, they do not qualify to play in the cup. No lower leagues can either. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - 'being eligible to play in the National Cup competition' seems rather WP:CRYSTALBALL.Derek Andrews (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - not only plays in 4th tier, but won it for 3 consecutive years. Nfitz (talk) 19:05, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- But again, the fourth tier in Canada & the US are not notable. If it is, significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subjectshould be provided. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:15, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can't find any consensus that the fourth tier in America is inherently notable, so not sure about the validity of the keep statements above. Aside from that, I can find nothing whatsoever of any substance on the team through google, just a handful of very brief routine match reports. Perhaps merging the table to UBC Thunderbirds. Fenix down (talk) 15:09, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - 4th tier in U.S./Canada is far different than the 4th tier in the U.K. Can't find any substantial coverage to show they meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Hoping to find a more authoritative statement one way or the about regarding wikipolicy vis-a-vis 4th tier teams -- RoySmith (talk) 23:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 23:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I don't see anything notable about the subject, and the article itself doesn't provide much information beyond what could easily be conveyed by expanding the table at Pacific_Coast_Soccer_League#Premier.Derek Andrews (talk) 14:28, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: AFC Wimbledon may be the coolest football club in the world, but 4th tier means nothing for American or Canadian teams. If its notable, we simply need to show that by cites to comprehensive coverage on the team.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per One15969, there is no substantial coverage to show WP:GNG. MrWooHoo (talk) 02:34, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.