Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urban jazz

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Urban jazz[edit]

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Undefined music genre; no sources (and tagged as such since March 2007). I can't really find a source that describes "urban jazz" as a particular musical style. One could deduce that it's an intersection of smooth jazz, acid jazz and/or hip hop, but I can't see where a reliable source such as allmusic has said as much. I have found a couple of primary sources ([1], [2]) that describe "urban jazz" as a radio format, but as such, it's about as nebulous as the smooth jazz radio format. Soundcloud uses "urban-jazz" as a tag, though its usage seems just as vague as the radio format. Gyrofrog (talk) 21:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As nominator, delete. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Notified WP:JAZZ. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Notified WP:R&B, WP:GENRE. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Gyrofrog (talk) 21:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment One of the Google Books links turns up an earlier, different usage for a form of music in Tanzania: [3]. AllyD (talk) 22:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -I'm finding lots of sources online. Did you look online? Bearian (talk) 21:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, I do get what the article is trying to describe - maybe not the same thing as "smooth jazz," but probably overlapping with it - but dang if I can find a reliable source that corroborates this. It's certainly possible you're finding good sources that I'm not, but I'm curious as to what these are. The book search linked from above gives "urban jazz" in the most general sense, for example "an urban jazz cafe," in other words "not rural" (plus, there's the Tanzanian context that AllyD mentions, which is not (currently) the subject of this Wikipedia article). In a 1996 Billboard article, Ronny Jordan describes his music as "urban jazz" – I'm not sure that accounts for an entire genre, but perhaps it's something we can use. Highbeam has an article in which the music of one Rod McGaha is described as "urban jazz-alternative hip-hop" (which may or may not already be covered under jazz rap). Otherwise, the most relevant results I got from a Google search were the two links I already mentioned, and they're not all that useful (though I didn't dig far into subsequent pages of results) - mainly the results seem to consist of band or album names that include the string "urban jazz." Google News gave me a lot of non-English results. AllyD made earlier comments at Talk:Urban jazz that mentioned how AllMusic, which is normally enthusiastic about defining these kinds of stylistic intersections, curiously did not have an article about this genre. I might have suggested merging this to smooth jazz, but as the article's unsourced, there's technically nothing to merge. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Go Phightins! 01:33, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If secondary sources don't give them a definite meaning then the two words "urban" and "jazz" together are not notable. Kitfoxxe (talk) 06:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
delete The very phrase is suspect: only think of "suburban jazz" and try not to smirk. Everybody needs their own personal genre I suppose, but at any rate I find no source for the four definitive members of the genre which uses this term for them: more typically they are characterized as smooth jazz performers. Mangoe (talk) 13:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. I know some great jazz musicians that live in the suburbs. They mostly play in cities however. Kitfoxxe (talk) 18:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another comment - I noticed that there are lots of album titles calld "Urban Jazz, which may be messing up my online searches. Well, perhaps this should be a dab page or merged with Smooth jazz? Bearian (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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