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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No consensus to delete. Note that there are two suggested merge targets for this article so it's best to discuss that on the talk page. Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:12, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Turks in Montenegro[edit]

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No evidence of notability just like Turks in the Czech Republic. I could find some sources but only in historical context. Meybe we can it merge into History of Ottoman Montenegro, Turks in Europe etc. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 13:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the Turks of Montenegro are a notable group who have been living there for centuries. I oppose to merging the artice with History of Ottoman Montenegro because this article is about Ottoman Montenegro and not the actual community. Regards. Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 07:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We can merge to Demographic history of Montenegro. Takabeg (talk) 22:12, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The (unsourced) material in the History section of the article belongs at History of Ottoman Montenegro because it is about Ottoman control of Montenegro, not about Montenegro's Turkish population. If there are sources to establish the notability of the more contemporary presence of Turks in Montenegro, then this article should be kept. So far, I haven't seen any evidence of that. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this is probably because the article is still a stub. It has the potential to expand vastly. Regards. Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • In that case, can you demonstrate that by providing some links to sources that would establish notability? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notability can be established in a number of ways:
a) The many census which also include the Turks e.g. the 1953 census shows 14,987 Turks living in Sandžak (http://www.sandzak.com/). But other sources also note the presence of Turks who still live in the region e.g. http://www.etno-institut.co.rs/GEI/GEI_LVI_1/cvorovic_56_1.pdf on page 147
b) Ottoman Turkish settelment which started in 1498
c) The introduction of Islam to the country by the Turks
d) The migration of thousands of Montenegrian Turks to the Republic of Turkey Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep just because the Turkish community is small does not make them any less notable considering the fact that they have been living in Montenegro for hundreds of years and have had a great impact on the country. Maybe you should be considering Jews in Montenegro for deletion but not this article.Turco85 (Talk) 10:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione ....... Leave a message 15:07, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:RECENT Wikipedia is not time-based; it is a long-term project and if it passes WP:GNG, simply concerning an historical topic is a completely invalid reason for deletion.--TM 17:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and expand The Ottoman Turks conquered the place, ruled it for centuries and some of the contemporary population identify ad Turks. Granted. it's a paltry article as it now stands, but DKY is supposed to be for unnotalbe topics. Here, the topic is patently notable, the article is merely inadequate.AMuseo (talk) 13:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:BEFORE - hundreds of sources could have been found with simple Google searches, as I found with a few clicks. AfD is not for cleanup and finding citations. Bearian (talk) 20:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for {{rescue}} by the Article Rescue Squadron. SnottyWong spout 23:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Demographic history of Montenegro or another appropriate article. This racial group represents an extremely small percentage of the population of an extremely small country. They are not even mentioned in Demographics of Montenegro. SnottyWong prattle 23:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The Turks once controlled Montenegro and were a major political force in the nation. Just because now the population is small doesn't negate the historical population. The Jewish population of Ireland is tiny and was always tiny, yet no one would considering throwing History of the Jews in Ireland up for AfD. --Oakshade (talk) 02:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per above. Mar4d (talk) 09:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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