Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The New Campus Anti-Rape Movement

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The result was delete. Will userfy for the purposes of merging upon request. Swarm ♠ 03:51, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The New Campus Anti-Rape Movement[edit]

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The article is a coatrack. The title of the article is taken from a seminar by Caroline Heldman and an unpublished book (since retitled) by Heldman and Danielle Dirks. However, the article itself mentions neither and instead argues what I assume is Heldman and Dirks' thesis with vaguely- and un-referenced content.

I proposed a merge into Campus sexual assault (see discussion). The only consensus we were able to reach was that more input was needed, preferably from AfD.

Delete as nominator. The article cannot be fixed without a complete rewrite and/or title change, the current title is not a notable subject, and there is no content worth saving. Second option, merge to Anti-Rape Movement. DPRoberts534 (talk) 20:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with no Merge I believe that the coatrack-i-ness of the article merits complete removal. The entire article reads like a Point of view fork. The sources relying on an unpublished book, and vague content support its removal as well. Jcmcc (Talk) 21:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I've dug into the source (Dirk's manuscript), I also wonder whether this is notable as presented.Mattnad (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think the article is worth saving and covers a real and notable movement. I am not adverse to a name change, but there is significant content present, and more that can be added (including references to the Heldman and Dirks work as mentioned above). I have some ideas for improving it, but would prefer someone with more knowledge of contemporary feminism to do so, or at least evaluate. I also disagree that the article is not NPOV as critiques of the movement are well represented. Carl Henderson (talk) 21:12, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and build it out in the campus sexual assault article as needed. Most of what's in this fork article is covered in greater depth in the current main article. I wouldn't argue there's an NPOV problem with it, but it's highly duplicative and not really necessary on its own.Mattnad (talk) 21:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Coatrack article - the authors of this article can expand the campus sexual assault article. -- Callinus (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Coatrack, and can easily be discussed (in a much more balanced way) in other related articles. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rescope/retitle to focus on the contemporary campus anti-rape movement. This is not a "coatrack" but rather a legitimate spinoff article focusing on the portion of the contemporary anti-rape movement that addresses campus rape. There are multiple reliable sources that discuss the movement (Ms., US News & World Report, New York Magazine) and the backlash against it (New Republic, Time). The movement has led to policy changes on campuses as well as Federal legislation and a White House task force. The closer should note that there has been off-site canvassing for this AfD in men's rights forums. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 22:17, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You knew about the reddit post before you suggested taking this to AfD. Calling it canvassing now is dishonest. DPRoberts534 (talk) 01:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per ≥gobonobo ⁺ ^c. Also, doing a search on Google turns up the term in campus web sites and was written about by New York magazine. Copyedit shouldn't be an AfD issue. Subject is notable. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 12:28, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Gobonobo's sources and argument. I would further add that the claims of Coatrack are a red herring. There is zero proof of any link between the seminar at Oxydental College and this page. They merely use the same phrasing. The bottom line is that this is a real phenomenon, and meets notability guidelines. I would also like to make sure the closer sees Gobonobo's comment re: canvassing. --Theredproject (talk) 20:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to campus sexual assault and anti-rape movement (the redirect should be to the former) - The title is a proper noun that suggests a clearly defined movement with an agreed upon name (or at least a popular name). But in addition to defining the Movement as "a series of movements", there just aren't sources to support a subject based on this name. So the next logical step is to consider renaming to better reflect the underlying concept. But what is that concept? We already have an article about campus sexual assault that details recent events and activism. We also have an article about the anti-rape movement which talks about this. The rape culture article is more of a theoretical perspective, but it's worth mentioning that these examples via campus sexual assault are discussed there, too. That's not to say that these are stories that should only be covered in one place, but that it's a set of examples relevant to multiple subjects combined with increased public/media attention. I don't think that means there's a new subject here; I think it means campus sexual assault is finally getting the media attention it deserves and that it's becoming a more visible/active part of the anti-rape movement. It's now an important part of those two subjects[' histories] and should receive solid coverage at both. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —☮JAaron95 ^Talk 18:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Merge Per Rhododendrites, I feel like this is an example and should be in Campus Sexual Assault or Anti-rape movement. MrWooHoo (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.