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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is clear enough. Creator is encouraged to ask for userfication; I'll leave them a note. Drmies (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Social Terms[edit]

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This seems to be an unencyclopedic list. "List of concepts related to Russian history, culture and society"? Partially it could be merged to List of English words of Russian origin but overall it is too broad, why not include all the entries from Category:Russia in it? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 15:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Short list of dictionary definitions of terms from imperial Russian history, Russian phrases that are usually untranslated in English. Kudos for the effort, but this remains in essence a set of dictionary definitions — and borrowed from a single copyrighted source at that. Not sure if it's straight copyvio or not, I'l assume that's not an issue for the purposes of argument, but that remains an additional matter of concern in the event this does close keep. I will note for the content creator that a number of these entries DO need wikipedia pages of their own State peasants, etc. and I would encourage them to get involved in researching and writing these one by one. Some may have multi-national applications — monastic lands comes to mind, that having both Russian and English application, at a minimum. Others showing here simply need to be redirects: obrok to quit-rent, for example — actually, I'll just install that one now. The point is that there may be existing pages for some of the Russian-specific terms — so if you do start writing pages on these topics, be sure to investigate whether there are any such pages already up to avoid merge issues down the road. Closing administrator, please be sure to write the content creator and offer to userfy if this closes as a delete. Carrite (talk) 17:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agreed. This is useful research, but not really in the form useful for an encyclopedia. I do hope the creator will consider your suggestions in the future; stubbing individual articles (with proper categories and redirects) would be much more helpful. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename to List of Russian social terms. Many of the entries in this article provide historical context and detailed descriptions well beyond what dictionary definitions would provide, and are hence, encyclopedic. This article would benefit from more references. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, there is absolutely no way to provide inclusion parameters here. This page actually, in essence Glossary of Russian-language terms not generally translated into English but often found in college textbooks dealing with the history of imperial Russia. It is good material, to be sure, and fills blank spots, to be sure... But it needs to be done encyclopedically, with item-by-item pages established. At THAT point it might be useful to have a page listing such Russian Imperial History bluelinks, or not. But this approach needs to be abandoned here and the content recomposed by subject. Carrite (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Wikipedia is here to help educate people. If this page helps people understand something they might look up, then it belongs here. Dream Focus 00:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This can easier be handled via a category. There is some added value to having a list, sure, but this particular list does not transcend WP:NOTDICT, nor do I see how it can.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 21, 2011; 19:50 (UTC)
  • Keep If it will make a category it will make a list also, and our recent practice is to keep both except in special cases. Even one of the delete !voters agrees there is added value in having a list; if it needs further work to have more added value, it should be edited to do so, not deleted. . It will serve a purpose, because the list can also say at least something identifying about them. Havin these brief definitions together is helpful, because they are best understood in context. the details of usage, can then be filled in by separate articles on each of them. Given the impoertance of Russian literature of that period, list list is highly useful to readers, and usefulness is one of the criteria for lists. DGG ( talk ) 15:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC) DGG ( talk ) 15:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about you (or somebody else) first suggests the category in question? We cannot even come up with a category; it would be as unwieldy as the alt names for the article suggested above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 16:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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