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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy close. nothing is getting deleted here. perhaps stuff needs to be merged, or forked, I don't know, time will tell and consensus will develop somehow, but nothing is getting deleted and this AfD is counterproductive. -- Y not? 18:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Crimea[edit]

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This new federal subject is simply the Autonomous Republic of Crimea which can cover this subject easily after we polish that article to reflect these new changes. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disagree: There are articles about South Ossetia, Abkhazia, or Transniestria even if they are not recognized by most of the international community. Now that Crimea independence was proclaimed following the March 16 referendum I think it is fine to have an article about this territory (it is irrelevant whether or not the independence was legitimate). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmoibenlepro (talk • contribs) 16:47, 18 March 2014‎
  • Disagree: the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic of Crimea is over, that article must stay as a historical article like the East Germany article, the Russian Republic of Crimea is the correct article for the current situation--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • East Germany is different because it's geographically different than Germany as a whole. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the federal subject are virtually the same thing except that one was an autonomous republic in Ukraine while the new one is a federal subject within Russia. The history, government, economy, geography remain the exact same. The difference being that when we used to refer to it "as an autonomic republic" we must now update the content to reflect that it is now "a federal subject". But everything else remains the same. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 17:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • yes you are right about the difference between east Germany and Crimea, but again the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic of Crimea is over, so either merge the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Russian Republic of Crimea with the article of Crimea or keep them both--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 17:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree: It is different from Crimea, enough notability for an articles. Asiaworldcity (talk) 17:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree. The "accession" of the Republic of Crimea to Russia has not been internationally accepted. The "Autonomous Republic of Crimea" remains a constituent part of Ukraine, while the "Republic of Crimea" (now considered by Russia to be a part of the Russian Federation) is a separate political entity, deserving its own article. It's the same logic as that behind having separate Chechen Republic and the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria articles. Even if Crimea were transferred to Russia according to all international norms, it would have still make sense to retain Autonomous Republic of Crimea as historical.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 18, 2014; 17:23 (UTC)
  • information Note:: I removed the tag earlier to the article because the AfD was not properly transcluded and the page was not created. KonveyorBelt 17:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, no worries. I had to pick up the phone right after I placed the AfD so I couldn't finish the process properly. No hard feelings! —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 17:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree (speedy close) due to the large differences in the basic characteristics of their respective administrations. Look at how Wikipedia presents the Socialist Republic of Slovenia and the other ex-Yugoslav states prior to their independence. - Anonimski (talk) 17:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea is a unit of Ukraine; the Republic of Crimea is a unit of Russia. One unit cannot be in two countries, therefore we need at least one article on each. Snowball this. --Golbez (talk) 17:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Even if the republic is not a republic or if Crimea will become Ukrainian again according to all states, then is episode in history is now already sufficiently notable to have its own page…. L.tak (talk) 18:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. There should be 3 or 4 separate articles. The best example for this is Kosovo that has 3 separate articles:
  1. Kosovo (article is about the geographical region of Kosovo.)
  2. Republic of Kosovo (article about partially recognized independent republic declared in 2008)
  3. Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija (article is about autonomous province of Kosovo on the territory of Serbia)

The same model can be used for Crimea:

  1. Crimea (article about the geographical region of Crimea)
  2. Autonomous Republic of Crimea (Ukrainian) (article about Autonomous Republic of Crimea claimed by Ukraine)
  3. Republic of Crimea (country) (article about short lived, partially recognized, independent republic, declared in 2014...)
  4. Republic of Crimea (Russian) (article about Republic of Crimea claimed by Russian Federation)

The last 2 examples, the short lived 3. Republic of Crimea (country) and the Republic of Crimea (Russian) can be merged together if necessary.Gaston28 (talk) 18:08, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Help! Realistically we have too many articles on Crimea at present, but we need an overall discussion about how to merge them sensibly, not a discussion about deleting an individual article at this stage. PatGallacher (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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