Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Sarver (3rd nomination)

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The result was keep‎. Significant coverage demonstrated from multiple reliable sources. GNG demostrated to be met. Therefore consensus by strength of argument is keep. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 01:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Sarver[edit]

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Absolutely fails WP:NSINGER; previous AFDs in 2009 were squirrely at best... Seriously, look at them. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Television, and Louisiana. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The 3 (!) AfDs in 2009 all seemed to be based on WP:ILIKEIT rather than actual policy, and it's pretty clear now that this person isn't notable. Fails WP:BLP1E, having done not much of not after American Idol, and all of the sources fail WP:SIGCOV in one way or another. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 01:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This Person Has Significant Coverage PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: SIGCOV exists establishing this persons notability under GNG. Notability is not temporary

Futile nominations where a significant amount of referenced coverage exists should be avoided. In particular the York Dispatch, USA today, and Associated Press articles grant specific attention to this subject. Please refrain from these kinds of nominations. Jack4576 (talk) 05:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jack4576: Rather than making pointless keep votes, could you please actually read the links and comment based on policy? The AP link doesn't work, and the other two are largely composed of interviews, which fail WP:SIGCOV. I would also request that you read some of the other comments that I have left regarding your votes. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I had already opened and read the USA Today link, and the York Dispatch link prior to my vote. The AP link I was able to retrieve at this archive.

The York Dispatch article is not in any sense an interview. Did you bother to open it yourself before writing the above ? Jack4576 (talk) 06:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My comment that the articles: "grant specific attention to this subject" is a topic that directly engages with policy, as it is part of the reason that I think it is fair to assess that these articles as collectively amounting to significant coverage. How could I have made myself more clear ? Jack4576 (talk) 06:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The AP link is now working for me, and that's definitely mainly interview, and the York Dispatch source, although definitely not an interview, (not sure why I wrote that?) is quite short and promotional in tone, not saying much besides where you can listen to a song, what it's for, and a list of other people. However, I'm willing to change my vote to Keep due to the archived sources that Cunard found. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 07:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete I've looked at the sourcing, the York Dispatch is ok, rather small. USA Today seems fine-ish. I'd prefer one better source and two iffy ones. Still a delete. Oaktree b (talk) 22:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Guerra, Joey (2009-12-12). "Roughneck-turned-musician releases single". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "The former oil-rig roughneck from Jasper finished 10th earlier this year on American Idol, good enough for a spot on the summer tour but not exactly a breeding ground for long-term careers. ... Sarver got a big leg up this week with the release of You Are. He wrote the feel-good country ballad, and it's a preview of his forthcoming debut album, set for a spring 2010 release via Dream Records/Universal. The song was issued simultaneously Tuesday with uptempo B-side Cinderella Girl. Sarver is the only contestant outside season eight's top four to currently have original music available. ... Musically, Sarver's pair of songs stick closely to the confines of modern country: soaring, sentimental and slick. Rascal Flatts with more soulful vocals. A kinder, gentler Keith Urban. And neither song would sound out of place on a Carrie Underwood album."
2. Kragen, Pam (2009-07-20). "Idol chatter: Five American Idols open up about life on the road". The San Diego Union-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "Big, ebullient and courteous, Michael Sarver is a man with a lotto say. The 28-year-old Texan puts many of those thoughts into hissongs -- 902 at last count, and of those, 23 chronicle his journeysince his “American Idol” audition -- but on this afternoon hewants to talk about Lambert. Sarver’s a strong Christian (his tour costume is a white coat with large cross insignia over his heart) with conservative views and he’s taken some heat for anti-gay comments he’s made in thepast. But Sarver wants fans to know that spending the past few months rehearsing and touring with the openly gay Lambert has changed him. ... The former oil rig worker is a married father of two, and talking about his far-away family is usually too difficult for him."
3. McGrath, Kristin (2010-03-12). "Season 8 Where Are They Now? Michael Sarver". USA Today. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "For Michael Sarver, turning a 10th-place finish into a record deal (he signed with Dream Records/Universal Music Group in December) boils down to one thing: hard work. ... Sarver, 29, will be releasing a country album (which he is recording in L.A. and Nashville) in spring or summer. The lead single, You Are, is available on iTunes, and next single Ferris Wheel is out April 27."
4. Peveto, Kyle (2010-07-25). "Homegrown talent - 'American Idol' finalist gives SE Texas first listen of debut". The Beaumont Enterprise. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "Sarver worked up his hometown, working man appeal throughout the free concert and autograph session Saturday afternoon. Backed by a full band with three guitarists and two backup singers, he appeared on stage wearing a plaid shirt and mesh gimme cap. His opening song from his new album, "Watch Me," is told from the perspective of a small town guy whose "dreams stretch far beyond the county line." Born in 1981 in Sulphur La., Sarver married Southeast Texas native Tiffany Smith six years ago and settled in Jasper. Sarver's self-titled album from Dream Records comes out Tuesday, but he had 400 to sell to fans at Saturday's appearance."
5. Moore, Sarah (2013-05-16). "'Idol' alum Sarver confident Kree will win". The Beaumont Enterprise. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "Besides the bond Sarver has with Harrison as a former American Idol contestant - a bond he says all the contestants share - the two met years before either of their careers began, when coincidence or fate brought Sarver to Harrison's parents' Jasper-area home to lay carpet. ... Sarver put out a record under contract with Universal on the basis of his own American Idol performances and now is working on a second, independent album, with all of his own songs."
6. Rueda, Lluvia (2009-02-20). "Sarver's secrets - 'Idol' contestant: Recession, Simon might have helped lift him into the Top 12". The Beaumont Enterprise. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "Vocal talent, dollops of Southern charm, and an extra sliver of votes helped Michael Sarver make it into the Top 12 on "American Idol" this week. ... After two emotional, roller-coaster days this week, the 27-year-old, former oilfield worker and his two Idol colleagues, Alexis Grace and Danny Gokey, shared their concerns and hopes about their personal lives and upcoming episodes in a national conference call."
7. Franklin, Mark (2010-11-06). "CD Spotlight: The 'Ferris Wheel' that never started spinning". The York Dispatch. Archived from the original on 2014-03-22. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "During his American Idol exit interview, Michael Sarver said he had already written more than 800 songs. The 10th-place finisher from season eight serves up six on his 14-track self-titled debut CD, which was released in July. Haven’t heard much about it? Well, it peaked at number 58 on Billboard’s country album chart. And the album’s lead-in single, “Ferris Wheel,” never got spinning."
8. poet, j. "Michael Sarver Review by j. poet". AllMusic. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The review notes: "When Sarver slides up to falsetto on the chorus, he sounds really sexy. "Cinderella Girl" has a dark bluesy vibe, but it's a tribute to the passion between a husband and wife that the years can't extinguish. "You Are," the one tune he wrote on his own, is a solid, simmering song with a soulful vocal. The rest of the material sounds like Nashville product, a collection of clichés with serviceable but unexceptional melodies. The exceptions are ..."
9. Franklin, Mark (2009-12-08). "Michael Sarver: From the oil rigs to iTunes". The York Dispatch. Archived from the original on 2014-03-22. Retrieved 2023-05-15.
  The article notes: "Michael Sarver, the former oil rig worker who finished 10th on season eight of Idol, released a single today on iTunes. ... That page also features a video of Michael signing with Dream Records, a division of the Universal Music Group. ... Right now, Michael’s also involved in an “American Stars in Concert” tour, also featuring ..."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Mike Sarver to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 01:48, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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