Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metalcore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per Snow/Invalid Nomination ("Look, I don't care if the genres are kept or not, I do realize Metalcore is a real genre") - Non-Admin Closure . Fosnez (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Metalcore[edit]

I have nominated this article for deletion as well as its subgenres. This article (along with its subgenres) have no citations and Metalcore, along with two of its subgenres, have only one reference to a questionable site that does not look like it can be used as a reference or citation.
I am also nominating the following related pages because [they have no citations and besides Deathcore they only have one reference which is the same one from the Metalcore page]:

Navnløs (talk) 04:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - I'm sorry Nav but the genre sure is a "real genre" because many official reviewers and magazines and other official publishers use the term. Though people may be disgusted by using those terms the media creates, Wikipedia will publish it regardless, just like so many others have said, simple as that. Although sources must be found on where the style has came from and what defines the style. The reference tag should suffice for now. I really don't see why metalcore and the others should be deleted. --CircafuciX (talk) 04:39, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I'd agree that the article could use cleaning up/some citations, but there are other stub-class articles which are far less informative yet not nominated for deletion. Daedae (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep-This article has useful info and should not be deleted. Thundermaster367 (talk) 11:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:USEFUL. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Oh, please. These article have relatively no useful information at all. I do in fact realize that metalcore is a real genre, however, the article as well as its subgenres have NO citations at all and have one reference to a site that is not referenceable. If someone wants to fix up these article they need to do a lot of work. Navnløs (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Metalcore is a more than notable subgenre. Articles don't get deleted just because they have no refs, Navlos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funeral (talk • contribs)

Actually they do funeral. Articles with no sources, citations or references get deleted. Navnløs (talk) 19:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily. Just because something's not sourced doesn't mean it doesn't belong -- that could just mean it needs sources. Many Wikipedia articles on notable topics are horribly devoid of references; that's why we have tags like {{unreferenced}} and {{refimprove}}. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and tag for references. This is a legit subgenre, if not a horribly common one; I'm sure decent sources exist somewhere. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but if they remain unsourced for long enough they will get deleted. For example, Horde (Warcraft) was deleted because of this and Alliance (Warcraft) is about to be deleted for this. People who edit Metalcore and its related subjects have shown that they have NO intention of ever putting sources for these pages. Navnløs (talk) 19:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as well-used and known subgenres; references are sure to exist - anything with 4.9 million Google hits is sure to have a good reference out there someplace. Magazines, music marketing pages, etc., use these as legitimate genres, so I'd say they're notable enough to be kept. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - it's a real genre. Recommend closing per WP:SNOW. Scarian ^Talk 22:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Funeral and Scarian. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 22:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I don't care if the genres are kept or not, I do realize Metalcore is a real genre, though some of the others are a bit more questionable, but someone needs to put some sources and crap in the articles. I mean not all of the article of Metalcore is even right, it needs some serious rewriting. Navnløs (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.