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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. It seems like the sources posted here haven't convinced most people, and many keep arguments are somewhat vague. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Carl Earl[edit]

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Blatant Promotion for Non notable businessman/musician. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Article is bombarded with multiple sources but none are independent reliable sources with any depth of coverage of this individual. A lot with him speaking about things but not others writing about him. Awards are not major, HMMAs are not credible. Probable UPE. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hexany Audio and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Ludlow. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:41, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Yet another related page from Richard Ludlow and Hexany Audio. There may be apparent case of COI but the topic is inline with WP:BIO. I recommend keeping this and having it rewritten to suit WP:NPOV Germcrow (talk) 06:03, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as PROMO. Overstuffed with PRIMARY and unreliable sources, fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:12, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep or Draftify. Tried digging more about "Matthew Carl Earl" via Google, I discovered he only has more of interviews from 3rd party sources within the Audio Production industry. The few sources he has as found include 1 and 2.

The major interview refs he has from 3rd party sources include 1, 2 and 3. These are certainly not enough but there's much hope for more exposure in the news. Coming to the current page, it sounds too promotional and loaded with unreliable sources. I recommend incubating this in draftspace. If it must be kept, it requires proper clean up of those fluffy sources and promotional lines. But certainly for me, deletion can be too hard for this. Benleg4000 (talk) 14:18, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"major" is quite a stretch for the 3 non-bluelinked "major interview refs he has from 3rd party sources" thatmountain.com, tvovermind.com, and trektoday.com. E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:01, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify or Delete First, I don't agree with a Draftify or Keep !vote - the article either passes or fails. The reason for Draftifying is because the article shows promise but does not yet meet the criteria for Keeping. HighKing++ 11:21, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 18:27, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Article cleaned up to comply with WP:NPV, WP:COMPOSER and WP:MUSICBIO. Promotional content is removed including external links which contained soundcloud and company websites. All references, though specific industry oriented, are mainly third-party sources complying with WP:NRV. OliverKianzo (talk) 21:14, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The cleanup, reducing the sources by almost half, was a great improvement. However, while it is clear that his music is drawing some attention, I am still not seeing WP:SIGCOV, and I do not think that it meets WP:CREATIVE. I usually use WP:TOOSOON as a way of being kind to sincere-seeming boosters of pages for poets, musicians, actors who appear unlikely to ever become notable. This, however, truly does look like an instance of WP:TOOSOON, a composer still in his twenties who looks likely to become a notable composer. Just, he's not there yet.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Examining the page and sources directly as they are listed now on the page shows at least three sources to establish notability which are independent, reliable, neutral and significant coverage to meet WP:GNG[1][2][3], and this 4th citation[4] has an introduction written as a secondary source so parts could also meet this. Additionally, WP:COMPOSER applies as well with the credits (and for which purpose for production credits they can be checked via game credits, press mentions, and other verifiable sources.) There simply isn't a glaring, obvious lack of coverage in the sub-genre of "game music" also, and then there are pathways to notability because of the repeated, independent coverage to satisfy WP:NMUSIC as well, "Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable music sub-culture", which since at least 2017 has been the case. The content should be cleaned up, but that's a different issue, things like DOB don't need to be specific to mm/dd and a source for their list of instruments would help, and a source column for the credits would help. Notability does hit a baseline from more than one pathway.--Nubtrazolacine (talk) 16:17, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Remington, Kate. "Matthew Carl Earl's Music Gets Arena Of Valor Players Stoked For Battle". www.wshu.org. Retrieved 10 May 2019.
  2. ^ "Video game composer Matthew Carl Earl discusses 'Arena of Valor' score & more". Nerd Reactor. 12 January 2018. Retrieved 10 May 2019.
  3. ^ Chan, Tony (27 December 2017). "Matthew Earl | Follow these Core Values to Compose Great Music". Game Dev Loadout. Retrieved 10 May 2019.
  4. ^ "INTERVIEW: Arena Of Valor Composer Matthew Carl Earl, Creating Music for Video Games". GameTyrant. Retrieved 10 May 2019.

Bold text— — User:Nubtrazolacine|Nubtrazolacine]]]] (User talk:Nubtrazolacine|talk]] • Special:Contributions/Nubtrazolacine|contribs]]) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Or, virtually so. A new account that has rapidly made 62 edits, mainly to Matthew Carl Earl, Richard Ludlow and Hexany Audio.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NO. 4 sources: a local public radio station plus 3 articles in non-bluelinked, niche publications ≠ WP:SIGCOV. It is clearly WP:TOOSOON.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that Game Dev Loadout is someone's blog. and that NONE of these sources is bluelinked.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect To Hexany Audio: Found two more sources in sound industry after a quick search, with publications that cover this field:

Huges, Sam (18 February 2018). "Interview with Arena of Valor Composer, Matthew Carl Earl". The Sound Architect. Retrieved 11 May 2019.[1]

N, Jvon (4 April 2018). "Interview with video game composer Matthew Carl Earl on Tencent's 'Arena of Valor'". Set The Tape. Retrieved 11 May 2019.[2]

References

  1. ^ Huges, Sam (18 February 2018). "Interview with Arena of Valor Composer, Matthew Carl Earl". The Sound Architect. Retrieved 11 May 2019.
  2. ^ N, Jvon (4 April 2018). "Interview with video game composer Matthew Carl Earl on Tencent's 'Arena of Valor'". Set The Tape. Retrieved 11 May 2019.

--68.33.74.204 (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: would there be any value in merging this article and Richard Ludlow into Hexany Audio? All three are up for deletion, and it's because they each have a couple of reliable sources but no more – as far as I can see Mr. Earl and Mr. Ludlow's notability comes from their company, so perhaps if they were all included in one article which would then have have a dozen reliable sources, there would be a better chance of keeping the verifiable information, instead of deleting all three. Richard3120 (talk) 21:16, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • This above suggestion doesn't make sense. They are distinct topics. While notability can transfer from a company's major employee's notability per WP:CCSI#CORP, their pages are different distinct topics.--Nubtrazolacine (talk) 15:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • summing up, we have a series of editors, including an SPA and an IP, arguing to keep this page about a young composer based on sources that include personal blogs and Vimeo, but is almost entirely sourced to non-bluelinked websites covering the video game and video production industry. An exception is the [[Hollywood Reporter[]] where he appears in a long list of nominees for industry awards. (Composers are, of course, covered by numerous widely recognized, edited publications.) I have raised the question of whether such websites can constitute the sole support for notability of a subject at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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