Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marshall ShredMaster

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The result was Withdrawn to pursue (or not) individually. Withdrawn to pursue (or not) individually joe decker ^{talk to me} 02:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall ShredMaster[edit]

-- you're honestly suggesting deleting the pages for these pedals because you don't think they're notable? i'm not going to go off on a rant about how the deletionism trend on wikipedia is ridiculous and simply counterproductive, but a lot of these (like the shin-ei, for example) have no other sources of information except for a fortunecity page and maybe a few message board posts. you don't think it's worth having a page to collect this information? isn't that the point of wikipedia, not to delete this information because one idiot thinks they're smart enough to determine that it's not notable information for anybody else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.232.69 (talk) 03:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Basically a catalog entry of a product. Not notable. No third party, reliable, secondary sources. Kilmer-san (talk) 05:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC) I am also nominating the following guitar effect related pages for the same reasons as listed above]:[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. — —Tom Morris (talk) 05:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm not familiar with all of these, but some are certainly notable. I would be amazed if the Big Muff and Dunlop Cry Baby for example hadn't received significant coverage from guitar mags. I disagree that these are simply 'catalog entries'. They need sources but at least some of these belong here.--Michig (talk) 07:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See this for example, and this ("Finally, in 1971, Electro-Harmonix released its Big Muff, which defined the sound of distortion in British and North American progressive rock for the next two decades."). I would suggest closing this AFD and unbundling these, listing only those for which sources cannot be found. --Michig (talk) 07:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Could these be split out into individual entries, as I have different opinions on each one. Dunlop Cry Baby should at least redirect to Wah Wah Pedal. Incredibly, I found no obvious news articles documenting the Cry Baby, even though I instantly recognise the name despite having never owned one. --Ritchie333 (talk) 08:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Every single one of those is a plausible search term and should be at minimum a redirect. And, List of guitar effects pedals is still a redlink, which gives us an obvious solution here, don't you think?—S Marshall T/C 11:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. — —Tom Morris (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close. As pointed out above, these devices aren't suitable for treatment en masse; they need individual treatment. I think Big Muff is clearly notable per the association with John Martyn, for example. The problems with the ones I checked out seem to be more with sourcing that with genuine notability, and there probably are print sources to be checked for the earlier generations of devices. Just not suitable for a group nomination. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree at this point. Thanks to all for the input. I will AfD individuals with a higher threshold of care. Cheers.Kilmer-san (talk) 23:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:WITHDRAWN, with plan to resubmit individual articles. Kilmer-san (talk) 17:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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