Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Kenya

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of shopping malls in Kenya[edit]

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Not notable, no sources Kilmer-san (talk) 06:11, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just asking why have you singled out this article for deletion, while there are plenty of similar lists of other countries? Julius Sahara (talk) 06:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't "Why this one?", it's "Why not this one?" It doesn't meet GNG. Any other articles like this one should be deleted, too. Kilmer-san (talk) 07:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 00:22, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kenya-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't delete this page. Its the only source of info i have seen on the net on where to shop especially those visiting in Kenya. What can we correct? I volunteer to correct whatever is not acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmwaniki (talk • contribs) 05:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Previous comment moved from talk page - frankie (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 2 of the items on the list have valid articles, one of the external links is to another real shopping center. 3 items makes a list. the rest can be removed or sourced, but the subject of shopping centers in kenya is apparently notable, even if the list is small and the template is poorly filled out. If it survives deletion i will remove the unsourced items.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but remove all entries which do not link to a WP article. . . Mean as custard (talk) 09:20, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the presence of a WP article by itself is not adequate sourcing. I did not look at all of the items in this list which have a WP article, but a couple I looked at are inadequately sourced. For example, Sarit Centre has no sources, and the references cited for The Village Market consist of either bad links or inadequate sources (not independent, third-party, secondary), or notable. The external links for the first two in the list are link spam. Kilmer-san (talk) 17:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Concept of list is notable, should at least contain significant size centers in the country. Kenya should (not) be punished just because Obama was (not) born there.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 03:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The topic of the list must be notable and adequately referenced by third party reliable sources for the list to qualify as a stand alone article. I have searched for this, and cannot find it, so please provide. See WP:LISTN, WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:NOTTRAVEL. Kilmer-san (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, good point, as the actual articles listed here are not well referenced. I added a bit of referencing, none of which conclusively establishes the individual mall's notability. While I have made a better case for some of the individual malls, the fact that the list is at most 4 (poorly) referenced malls, means by your referred to policies that the list may not be viable. If we had 3 solidly established articles, then both the subject and the actual list would pass notability. I've done as much research as i want to, and only hope others can provide better sources if possible. I wont change my Keep, but its getting weaker.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mercury, thanks for improving the references to the articles. I will say up front that the rather disjointed guidelines for stand alone lists to be less than clear to me, in which case I would welcome being schooled by an editor who can point out the more explicit guidelines that I did not find in my non-trivial attempts to do so. But I cannot find "three notable items makes a notable list" if that is in fact a policy or guideline. My understanding is that the "list topic" must meet WP:NOT, regardless of the notability of the individual items. Cheers. Kilmer-san (talk) 22:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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