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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Nothing inherently wrong with such a list, but for this particular one the sources are insufficient to meet WP:V. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 10:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of highest-grossing Tamil-language films[edit]

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This article fails the WP:OR guidelines and will never resolve the issue in the future or through discussion on the article talk page as consistent reliable sources do not exist. Some of the figures given are unsourced, have citations that on examination include no figures or have footnotes to vague promotion statements such as "raked in more than Rs 250 crore worldwide" (in the example of Dasavathaaram - an estimated and rounded up figure that is unsupported by accountable statements of box-office income and yet has been synthesized as the misleadingly precise figure of $57,766,000). As has been previously stated in the lead of the article (recently blanked) there are no reliable sources that could be used to provide a consistent ranking of Tamil films over time or even a ranked snap-shot of the top ten films by box-office income. The table of Highest-grossing films by year (from 1917) is, if anything, more misleading as inclusion of a film name implies it definitely was the highest-grossing for that particular year and there are no independent reliable sources that can unambiguously provide this information or that could provide like-for-like figures of income world-wide or locally. Any figures quoted would be speculative and are unlikely to distinguish between income during the year of release or longer periods. Previous PROD removed so raising for wider discussion. Fæ (talk) 08:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

popular tamil weekly kumudam has verified the collections a snap from kumudam dated 19.11.2010 http://i56.tinypic.com/dg40o0.jpg

SyberGod (talk) 21:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That information was cribbed directly from this same article on Wikipedia. Refer to WP:CIRCULAR. Fæ (talk) 23:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Such a list for Tamil films can never be compiled even with a semblance of accuracy, because no one puts out reliable box office numbers for the films. Most of the box office collection reports are planted in the media by the production companies themselves. Such an article will always be (take a look at the article history) an ever changing battle ground of conflicting claims and counter claims.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep provided with enough references

SyberGod (talk) 13:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

one seems to be a bollywooder and the other ill of reverting and deleting :) SyberGod (talk) 13:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

if this article has to go then List of highest grossing Indian films and List of highest-grossing Bollywood films also needs to be deleted.

SyberGod (talk) 13:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please stop insulting other people and read WP:NPA. This was the attitude that got you blocked the first time. This is the second time you have insulted me. I let it slide the first time when you called me a ["dumb cry baby", but keep this up and you will get blocked again.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

stick to the topic , this isn't a forum for your cries !

SyberGod (talk) 22:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Kumudam list was copied from wikipedia itself. A case of circular referencing--Sodabottle (talk) 17:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Also, I can't really see the point of lists of the gross takes of films because of the varying production costs and the effects of inflation. If there could be a figure based on gross in relation to production, and also inflation standardised, it might be meaningful. Otherwise, it's just figures that tell you nothing. Or blank boxes in some of the highest by year section, which renders the listing somewhat dubious (unless, of course, it was the only Tamil film that year...) Peridon (talk) 15:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

if this has to be deleted , it should be deleted along with List of highest grossing Indian films and List of highest-grossing Bollywood films , not alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SyberGod (talk • contribs) 17:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

please feel free to nominate them for AFD. --CarTick (talk) 17:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Peridon (talk) 19:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. I strongly disagree with any general proposition that there's something inherently non-encyclopedic about a "List of highest-grossing Fooian films". The obsessive attention that such lists have gotten for decades in journals like Variety speak to the notability of the subject. I also don't agree that the lists' notability is inherently defeated by problems with inflation or currency fluctuation: that's also something that Variety has been coping with for decades, and while it may go to the ultimate uses of the list it does not make them less notable. However, if it is in fact the case that verifiable sources don't exist for India's film industry, then I would have to agree that the lists don't survive WP:V.--Arxiloxos (talk) 20:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for this critique. With the benefit of hindsight the nomination was overly long and if I raise a similar AfD I shall focus on the key issue of verifiability as you have identified. Fæ (talk) 10:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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