Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional places in G.I. Joe (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 17:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of fictional places in G.I. Joe[edit]

Pointless list consisting of plot summary and unsourced analysis. Notability has been in question since October 2007, but to date no reliable independent sources have been found. B. Wolterding (talk) 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per above--Wadeperson (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It is sourced, I added in the sources myself. Was there some editing I missed? And plot summary seems to be said as a bad thing, which confuses me. A list of names by themselves -would- be pointless. Lots42 (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Further examination reveals a bunch of 'Country X is meant to stand in for Real Country Y'. I can see how this contributed to this very page. I deleted the speculation. But the rest of the sources I added in are still there. Lots42 (talk) 20:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any reliable independent sources in the article. Apart from the speculation you mentioned, the article is plot summary (sourced to the original work of fiction), which should be avoided in this form per WP:NOT#PLOT. --B. Wolterding (talk) 21:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unreferenced plot summary. No indication that "places in GI Joe" is a notable topic. --EEMIV (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - G.I. Joe's popularity may have lent itself to have this topic discussed in sources not yet found; otherwise, Merge per prior AFD (was voted to be a merge, but merge was never completed), or better yet merge some of it to List of G.I. Joe comics#A Real American Hero (Main series). BOZ (talk) 00:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete other than excessive plot analysis better placed in a Wikia, I don't see a reason for Wikipedia to have this article. JuJube (talk) 01:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It could have gone the other way where each and every place got its own article in Wikipedia but remained as a one single article. Also, several other articles link to this article that it's not completely linkless. --Destron Commander (talk) 09:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- this article contains nothing but excessive, trivial plot details and original research. There are no sources to either indicate the notability of the topic or to back up any of the claims in the article. Reyk _YO! 02:24, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Material based upon examination of the work itself is not OR, it s already sourced to the work as specifically as possible in a way which is a model for such articles. This is a sufficiently important fiction to justify this combination article, which is already merged to the necessary extent. DGG (talk) 06:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Exactly what I was trying to convey in my earlier sentences. Thanks. Lots42 (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability requires objective evidence. Where's the evidence here, in the form of independent sources, that "this is sufficiently important fiction to justify this combination article"? As it stands, the article is just a random assembly of pieces of plot. That may be appropriate for a fan site, but not for an encyclopedia. --B. Wolterding (talk) 12:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete totally in-universe; real-world notability of these places (or their compilation as a list) is slim to non-existant. Themfromspace (talk) 19:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Lots42, BOZ and DGG (who said it best...and first!). Ecoleetage (talk) 21:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per DGG. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 08:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LC items 2-4, 8, and 10. Stifle (talk) 12:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep--Notability is not an argument for deletion because the consensus in Wikipedia is that G.I Joe related articles are notable and the fictional places are notable in the G.I Joe universe: Sierra Gordo: 1, Trucial Abysmia:2, Benzheen:3, Darklonia:4, etc.--Jmundo (talk) 17:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.