Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Batman storylines

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of Batman comics. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Batman storylines[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Procedural nomination on behalf of Matt14451 with "Article is redundent", as their (manual?) attempt to AfD it seems to have stalled. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:57, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article is seriously lacking in content and it fails to define what it means by a "storyline". There is a list here, but it's a list of published editions, and I can't reconcile that in any useful way as listing "storylines". Andy Dingley (talk) 14:58, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I was in the process of creating this article, you didn't give me much of a chance to create it. Publications are listed, not storylines as per title. The publications article is much more in-depth and useful.

Did you mean Keep?

It has been here for over a year (I don't call for deletion on new articles). Andy Dingley (talk) 15:13, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, it needs deleting. I meant I was in the process of creating Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Batman storylines. I had put the template onto the page and was writing the reason but got a notification to say you had reverted my edit there. Following the instructions of this article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Batman_storylines&action=edit&preload=Template:Afd2+starter&editintro=Template:Afd3+starter Matt14451 (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, my apologies for the edit conflict. (I suggest installing Twinkle to make the AfD proces automatic and easier.) Andy Dingley (talk) 16:01, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. This is my first attempt of starting an AfD so was slow while reading what to do. I will look into Twinkle for next time so thanks for the suggestion. Matt14451 (talk) 11:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Batman comics. It's better formatted and contains more information, but a spot check found some titles that are missing. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep List of Batman comics is not adequate for this as there are other media such as TV and movies. There are notable Batman storylines such as Hush or Dark Knight Returns and these are listed in sources such as the following. The topic therefore passes WP:LISTN. Andrew D. (talk) 15:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

100 Things Batman Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die
Christianity and the Dark Knight
Batman and Philosophy
The Mythology of the Superhero
The Caped Crusade: Batman and the Rise of Nerd Culture
Supervillains and Philosophy
The Essential Batman Encyclopedia
Hunting the Dark Knight

Andrew, did you read any of these sources? Did you even read the article before claiming it included "other media such as TV and movies"? The above is one of your worst AFD !votes in recent memory. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:52, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Hijiri 88, the only keep argument doesn't make sense. We aren't debating the notability of the topic, an article with the title could exist in a similar way to The Amazing Spider-Man version. The problem is the current content of the page which doesn't reflect the title. Matt14451 (talk) 11:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. —AE (talk • contributions) 15:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - the article idea is a good one, as it has a good scope and should be easily sourced, however, what we have here is not that. This is a list of Batman titles or volumes which is just a bad list which misuses a valid article title. --Gonnym (talk) 21:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Batman comics per Argento and others. If any of this (currently unsourced) information can be verified, it might be useful to add to the list of comics, which does not appear to be arranged by storyline at the moment. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:52, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Which information do you suggest keeping and merging?

I see two problems here: firstly, the article is a long list of the wrong thing. A list of publications and editions (i.e. physical artefacts) is not the same thing as a list of "storylines".

Secondly, there's a very short list (five) of "titles". Now are these storylines? What is a "storyline" in this context anyway? Even if this is the beginnings of a list on the article's claimed topic, it's failing to achieve that. A short list of titles, with no context and no content on each, is not a useful list. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming at least some of the content of the current list is related to "storylines" like "Knightfall" or Spider-Man's "Clone Saga" (sorry, I'm not much of a comics reader). If I'm wrong and nothing in the article is actually worth keeping, so be it. The title is still a useful redirect, so it's really a question of whether we think it's likely that Andrew or someone else will disruptively revert a redirect unless the page is deleted first. I've seen such things happen in the past, but I don't think it's likely here, so preserving the page history couldn't hurt. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't be too specific on what should be merged, but (for example) the storyline list includes one called "War Crimes" that isn't on the comic list. There may be a good reason for this (is the content included under another name?), but that needs to be determined by someone more familiar with Batman. My awareness is mostly limited to surface knowledge of the major ones. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Any discussion of this list and what it can or should contain is incomplete without looking at the corresponding Category:Batman storylines, which has 46 articles at present. If those are all valid articles on storylines, then that obviates many of the complaints raised here that seem focused on the current state of this list rather than its potential and what is fixable. postdlf (talk) 16:30, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So why do we need an article to duplicate a category? Andy Dingley (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTDUP. postdlf (talk) 22:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So why do we need an article to duplicate a category? It's not impossible, but what does it gain? There's no content in this article to use. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Necessity is not a requirement. And the guideline I linked to explains why editors might want to, whether or not you want to contribute to that. postdlf (talk) 23:47, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.241.132 (talk) 15:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.