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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Single-gender world#Female-only worlds. There appears to be a rough consensus against keeping this article. Unfortunately that is where the consensus ends. This has been relisted twice w/o additional input so it's time to make a judgement call. I am going with what looks like the best merge target to my mind. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:46, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lesbian utopia[edit]

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It looks like a discussion of parthenogenesis possibilities in humans (or other female-only human reproductive possibilities) and a short version of the Single-gender_world#Female-only_worlds section. I don't think it's notable/verifiable enough to be a separate article from Single-gender world. Woodsy lesfem (talk) 22:30, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 00:14, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 00:14, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 00:14, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect - Article doesn't provide any value, hardly passes WP:GNG. Should redirect to Single-gender world per nominator. Skirts89 (talk) 00:38, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'll alert WP:LGBT to this discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:45, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the "In fiction" section, obviously, but the "Reproduction" section is sourced to BBC articles with no mention of any lesbian utopias. wumbolo ^^^ 07:54, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    With regards to notability, I find only passing mentions in scholarly sources and I did not look at Encyclopedia of Erotic Literature (page 1189) or Women's studies encyclopedia (page 1442) which are cited at Utopian and dystopian fiction and look promising. I did look (on Google Books) at To Write Like a Woman (around page 130 or 140) cited at Single-gender world and it is enough for a keep !vote from me (when we also take into account other references below), provided that it is reliable (I don't know myself). I am neutral on what the redirect target should be. wumbolo ^^^ 22:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the term "lesbian utopia" most frequently is used in context of discussions of Lesbian Separatism[1][2][3][4] (which redirects to Feminist separatism. It seems like the discussion here is mostly about fictional accounts, and biological research. I think the article title itself (e.g. Lesbian utopia) should be redirected to Lesbian Separatism, not to Single-gender_world#Female-only_worlds. The fiction could be merged into Single-gender_world#Female-only_worlds. Where would the biological research go? --Theredproject (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Nowhere. The mouse already has an article at Kaguya (mouse), while the cloning is probably already covered in an article about cloning. wumbolo ^^^ 17:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Undecided at present. At first blush, my instinct would have been to vote to redirect to Lesbian separatism, but based on the current content of the two, Single-gender world#Female-only worlds seems a better match. However, current content shouldn't be decisive. So far, I find Theredproject's argument most convincing, as far as the title, the fiction content, as well as their question about the research. Mathglot (talk) 06:00, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The easy suggestion here would be to Delete wholesale, since the subject lacks adequate independent notability. This is an attempt to upgrade a common expression in feminist and lesbian writings into a widely used, stand-alone term. (The attempt is evident even in the sourcing, where it is made explicit that the sources indicate "usage" of the term!) Nonetheless, and since it seems there may be some text worth preserving, such text should be Merged into the respective articles, as above, with a Redirect graciously in place of the contested article. -The Gnome (talk) 21:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Single-gender_world#Female-only_worlds or Utopian_and_dystopian_fiction#Feminist_utopias. On the one hand, there does seem to be enough discussion of lesbian utopias in scholarly sources to potentially support an article, contrary to the arguments of other users. On the other hand, the sources seem to discuss them as a subset of feminist utopias, which have their own features but are best understood in that context. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ New Sexual Violence Study Findings Have Been Reported from Southern Illinois University. (2011). Women's Health Weekly, 162.
  2. ^ Murphy, J. (1987). Naming the Violence: Speaking Out About Lesbian Battering. Off Our Backs, 17(2), 18.
  3. ^ Savona, J. (1996). Lesbians on the French stage: From homosexuality to Monique Wittig's lesbianization of the theatre. Modern Drama, 39(1), 132-155.
  4. ^ Stuart, J. (2006). In another bracket: Trans acceptance in lesbian utopia. Journal of Lesbian Studies, 10(1-2), 215-229.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:56, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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