Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lady Liberators

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sandstein 10:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Liberators[edit]

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This "team" is just a one-issue joke and nothing more. The only lasting significance is that it's the first appearance of Valkyrie (Marvel Comics), but that can be explained in that article, without needing a standalone one. For a similar discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justice League Antarctica. Cambalachero (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic is notable, being covered in the following sources. Andrew D. (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedia of Comic Books and Graphic Novels
International Journal of Comic Art
The Woman Fantastic in Contemporary American Media Culture
A Brief History of Superheroes
The Supergirls: Fashion, Feminism, Fantasy, and the History of Comic Book Heroines
Of Jungle Queens and Amazons: Marvel's She-Hulk as Poststructural Feminist Icon
The Ladies of the Marvel Cinematic Universe Have Asked For Their Own Avengers Movie
Marvel Has an “Interest” in an All-Female Superhero Movie

Comment - I haven't reviewed all of Andrew's sources (since he didn't link them), but that last can hardly be considered "coverage". It's a name drop followed by a barebones explanation of what it meant ("The Lady Liberators first appeared in 1970 and were an all-female superhero team quietly put together by the Enchantress that included Wasp, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, and others."). Argento Surfer (talk) 18:10, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- There is coverage, sure, but is it more than trivial? I doubt so. As said, it's just a single issue joke. There's not really any substantive info about it that we may add. Cambalachero (talk) 19:04, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about 'joke', it's probably an earnest attempt, that never took off due to poor execution. I've looked at the source cited in the article, and that consists of a passing mention in a book about 300 pages, so I'd say it's trivial. The question for me is whether to redirect or merge, and where to? --Killer Moff (talk) 22:56, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:32, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It can be merged into the Valkyrie (Marvel Comics) article, Publication history, with the out-of-universe perspective. That is, that the character was created in the Avengers as a one-issue "joke" (or whatever) that turns out to be one of the regular villains at the end, and then reused as a standalone character in another comic later on. This is hinted in the article but not clearly explained. The plot section does not need merging. The 2008 team only cites the comic book itself as a reference, a primary source, and does not provide notability beyond being a mere continuity nod for the dedicated fans. Cambalachero (talk) 13:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Valkyrie publication history gives sufficient information already? Adding info about the Lady Liberators there seems somewhat tangential to the article focus. Namenamenamenamename (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, given the highly questionable notability and lack of a suitable redirect target. Namenamenamenamename (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Andrew D above, or merge into List of Marvel Comics teams and organizations or Valkyrie (Marvel Comics). No need to delete when merge is a valid option. BOZ (talk) 00:01, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, there's material out there in the news and the sources mentioned above for a referenced article. Hiding T 14:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete after reviewing the sources mentioned above, there is not sufficient material to build an article. The mention in A Brief History of Superheroes is so minor that it wasn't even included in the index. I wouldn't oppose a redirect if a suitable target can be found. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.