Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katherine Crane

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Crane family. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 18:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Katherine Crane[edit]

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This article fails WP:FICT, WP:NOTE and WP:RS. Aoba47 (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Aoba47 (talk) 15:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions Aoba47 (talk) 15:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Sam Sailor 17:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Crane family unless evidence of independent notability is forthcoming. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@J Milburn: Seems like the most appropriate course of action. Aoba47 (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have an opinion since I have no idea what is usual with regard to fictional characters in popular TV series, but I can see that this article that has had many editors over many years. I can also see that this character is discussed in major daily newspapers in the context of this soap opera, and I suggest that the editor who created this page @Spanish lullaby: and those editors who made substantive additions (albeint most edits were made by IPs or by editors long vanished) to article be notified of this AFD and perhaps invited to source it@Chadoz, TAnthony, and FruitMonkey:.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, little interest in this article, I just updated it to remove a dab to Rachel Barrett. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@E.M.Gregory: Thank you for your comment! If you find any major daily newspapers that discuss this character, please post them here as it can help to decide whether or not the character has notability or not. The guidelines for the notability for a fictional character can be found here, and the general guidelines apply to fictional characters from every medium, including television. One important thing to determine while looking at the sources discussing this character in the context of the show is whether or not the character is being discussed beyond singular mentions in the context of plot or the actress's credits. Just so you know, newspaper recaps of episodes including the character do not support notability. I personally have not found much information (as I was thinking about expanding this article in the past), but I would encourage you to post any sources here. Aoba47 (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I found a bunch of plot recaps in major dailies in a quick search, but I didn't look very hard, not past the first page of hits on a news archive search.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:40, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@E.M.Gregory: Thank you for your response. I have refined the news archive search by adding the name of the soap opera "Passions" and found only plot recaps in the major dailies. I only found one reference in HighBeam, but it was a plot recap. I have only found references to Katherine Crane as a brief reference during episode recaps, a part of a long list of characters from the show, or an aside about Elizabeth Storm or Leigh Taylor-Young's career. I am sure you know this already, but I just want to remind you that some of the hits from a quick search may be for articles/information outside the show as I can imagine the name "Katherine Crane" either referring to a real person or something else. The closest thing to sources I could find is the following: 1 and 2, but I do not believe it is enough to warrant a separate article for the character. Aoba47 (talk) 22:05, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was using proquest, "Katherine Crane" + Passions. Thing is, I never edit on soap operas, and not often on fictional characters of any kind at AFD (I tend to stay away from topics where my ignorance is near total), so I wanted to give folks who edit soaps a fair chance to make a case. After all, the article has been year for years and has had a lot of editors. If anyone sources this, feel free to flag me. Otherwise,

merge to article on fictional Crane family. I ran a news archives search, and failed to see any notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@E.M.Gregory: I greatly appreciate that. I feel the same, and tend to stay away from topics that I am completely unfamiliar with to avoid making any mistakes. And thank you pinging all of the people involved with the page. I should have done that originally, so I apologize for the oversight on my part. I agree that all the editors who contributed to this page should get a fair chance to make their case, as they might have something that proves notability that I did not find (you can find a lot of stuff through archived websites so you never know for sure). Aoba47 (talk) 00:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge I agree with the above comments. It's okay that it was nominated for deletion, sometimes pages here get deleted and then redirected or something similar. Carbrera (talk) 01:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.