Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kanan Stark

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Power (TV series). Will move to draft space, though on shallow grounds, and create a redirect. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kanan Stark[edit]

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Lack of notability. I originally changed this to a redirect to Power (TV series); article creator reverted, claiming 'reliable sources'. I am very far from convinced by the sources; run of the mill gossip 'n ting. TheLongTone (talk) 14:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the subject is clearly notable, although the sources cited may not demonstrate notability I assure that there are reliable sources. Raising Kanan where the subject plays the main role and the story revolves around him has been renewed for season 2 meaning more sources are still yet to come. Neo the Twin (talk) 08:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. As written, fails WP:GNG, it's pure plot summary (WP:FANCRUFT). My BEFORE failed to find anything, GScholar gives zero hits, that's telling. The claim above that "I assure that there are reliable sources" without linking to any is just a poorly written WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES by the author of this article, to whom I'll point out the existence of Fandom (website), a much better recipient for content at this level. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:33, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Re: It is a known fact that sometimes I fail to cite reliable sources simply because I have a problem of choosing the right ones, I (personally) sometimes feel like the system is unfair, undeniably there are secondary sources but instead of improving a promising article you tag it for deletion, moving it to draft space (stating the article's flaws) would've been more adequate. Neo the Twin (talk) 20:51, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Regarding notabilibity, I once mentioned the article at WP:Teahouse and reviewers requested more reliable sources like the 3 sources I have already cited, as far as I read the WP:Guidelines, an articles with at least few reliable sources is likely to stay afloat with the {{Sources}} tag at the top of the page. Neo the Twin (talk) 12:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to TV Series. I think we would be better served having it in one place. It could be easily be reinstated separately later. Jacona (talk) 14:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Concerning 'Merge' into Power, I happen to think that that is also inadequate, the article is promising and the subject will soon be reprised for another season which will surely produce more press articles, and the article is tagged as a stub which is more likely to be incubated or rather improved in main/article space as an administrator elucidated here.

Neo the Twin (talk) 03:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 13:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the TV series as a plausible search term. Wikipedia is not a fan site, but without any reliable secondary sources giving encyclopedic material (as opposed to a plot summary), then this page is not far off from something that would belong on a fan site. Despite the assertion that WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES, I can't find anything beyond routine coverage of the show or actors involved: that is not sufficient to support an article about a fictional character, whether they're a major character or not, thus fails WP:GNG. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the TV series. Not enough secondary sources to show that this character is independently notable. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:20, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose redirect, As far as I have read the notability guidelines and as I have been instructed at the WP:TEAHOUSE, number of secondary sources does not matter so long as there is few available and cited as an article can largely rely on One source. Though the article may rely on few sources here, here and here it should stay afloat since it's a stub article and still has a lot of "In-universe information" to be added to it which can also use sources from other angles such as sources implicating protagonists like Tommy Egan and James St. Patrick since they were affiliated and crossed paths multiple times within the series. Please reconsider. Neo the Twin (talk) 03:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - [1] has no significant coverage of the character. It mentions a few actors who played him, but the sum of the coverage on the character itself is Raising Kanan travels back to 1991 and South Jamaica, Queens to track the origins of cold-blooded Power villain Kanan Stark, who was memorably played by Curtis Jackson, a.k.a. 50 Cent on the flagship series. We know how Kanan's story ends, with a setup from Ghost (Omari Hardwick), Tasha (Naturi Naughton), and Tariq (Michael Rainey Jr.) leading to his death, but prepare to find out how he became the Kanan who wouldn't hesitate to kill his own son., and most of that is plot summary. [2] is plainly an interview of an actor who plays the role, but has strictly nothing in terms of coverage of the character beyond a few trivial snippets. [3] has maybe one paragraph of coverage about the character, but it's again essentially plot summary: Smart, driven and still naïve, Kanan’s world revolves around his mother, Raq (Miller), who raised him by herself. She is his everything. At the same time, he is beginning to get a sense of not only the world around him but his place in said world. Kanan wants to be just like his mother — and that’s the problem. He’s young and wide-eyed and doesn’t know how the hustle works. And even more important, his mother is not nearly as keen as he is for him to follow in her footsteps. Theirs is a complicated relationship that only gets more problematic as time goes on. And Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a TV guide. If you want to have an idea what kind of coverage should be used for writing articles about fictional characters, might want to take a look at stuff like the relevant articles listed in Template:Star Wars Trilogy or Template:The Lord of the Rings (deliberately picking higher quality examples for reference). If you can't find anything even remotely resembling that, then this is not suitable for a stand-alone article. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:39, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, I would appreciate it if the article was moved to draft space for further incubation rather than delete or redirect. Thank You! Neo the Twin (talk) 17:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.