Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Dunlop (chess player)

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The result was keep‎. after article improvements were made. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Dunlop (chess player)[edit]

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Cannot find any sources to support this bio's notability, apart from a mention in a personal blog regarding NZ Championship history and a page of New Zealand Chess federation] which is basically a print of New Zealand Chess Championship. Konstantina07 (talk) 16:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Konstantina07 (talk) 16:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It fails WP:GNG due to insufficient media coverage. Morekar (talk) 22:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and New Zealand. Shaws username . talk . 17:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 01:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing found in books for this individual, Gnewspapers, even in Trove from the Library of Australia [1]. Delete for lack of sourcing Oaktree b (talk) 02:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I closed this discussion as Delete but was asked to restore and relist this AFD discussion. Please allow more comments on this AFD before closing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep following expansion. Extensive coverage in contemporary New Zealand newspapers; meets WP:GNG. Paora (talk) 08:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per WP:HEY but with the caveat that contemporary newspaper accounts will be primary sources, not counting towards notability. However, they do verify that he won the national senior championships on multiple occasions and the guideline at WP:NCHESS would suggest this confers likely notability, and this is also in line with the different but not unrelated notability criteria at WP:NATHLETE. On that basis it is not unreasonable that secondary sources will exist. Some of the sources now in the article are secondary but may have other issues, but all in all I believe this crosses the line. With thanks to the efforts of Paora. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, it would be great if some editors who commented earlier evaluated the expansion of the article since it was nominated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Oaktree b used a very limited search to conclude that there was nothing in Trove. I did an alternate search of Trove and got numerous hits for this person, which is significant, given that Trove is a repository of Australian newspapers and Dunlop was playing mostly in New Zealand. Paora (talk) 10:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst reaffirming my keep !vote, are there any sources other than newspaper accounts? Mentions in a book for instance? These should put the matter beyond doubt. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look at your results. I only found out about Trove when helping with research for the National Library of Ireland on flickr of all places. Trove is quite the repository, covering items from every corner of the world it seems. Oaktree b (talk) 13:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, a suggestion submitted without any trace of bias from this confessed chess aficionado, since truth be my most beloved friend. Dunlop clearly meets WP:NCHESS criterion #3 by having won a national chess championship, New Zealand's, and, moreover, not once but six times. All we need are sources testifying to that effect and we have one here at Chess Café, and another here at the National Library archive. He was never a grandmaster and Jeremy Gaige's invaluable Chess Personalia only lists chess titles and not tournament wins or championships but the above brace of sources suffice. -The Gnome (talk) 20:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the wonderful rescue work performed by Paora. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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