Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessica(Merchant of Venice)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 01:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica(Merchant of Venice)[edit]

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Essay that reads like a homework assignment. It consists almost entirely of quotes from the play. Dammitkevin (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Merchant of Venice South Nashua (talk) 16:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not encyclopedic in nature, very poorly written Seasider91 (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I've added it to Category:Female Shakespearean characters, for now. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also to Template:The Merchant of Venice, with the other characters, for now. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep character in an unquestionably notable play. I note that Jessica (Merchant of Venice) (proper spacing before parenthesis) already exists as a redirect, and had even less content than this, so obviously there's work to be done here. Jclemens (talk) 23:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- A smattering of sources from Google Scholar: "Now by My Hood, a Gentle and No Jew": Jessica, The Merchant of Venice, and the Discourse of Early Modern English Identity , In Defense of Jessica: The Runaway Daughter in The Merchant of Venice, Jessica's Mother: Medieval Constructions of Jewish Race and Gender in The Merchant of Venice, for just a smattering of scholarly articles that mention Jessica in the title... Jclemens (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was a bit surprised In didn't find more on Jessica when I did a quick Gbooks search earlier. You've found just enough for me and I'm confident there's more. The Merchant of Venice was the quintessential Shakespearean problem play for me when I read Shakespeare as a post-grad at McGill (so I'm a bit surprised it rates only a passing mention there). Anyway, it has a particular notability because of its (mis)treatment of Jews and Jessica is a notable part of it. Weak keep. I say weak because it's so atrocious and very little of value would be lost if deleted. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The Jstor source has potential, but none of it is used in the article. If Jessica is such an important character in The Merchant of Venice, this article needs to be blown up and started over. Yoninah (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Changing !vote to Keep following Xover's amazing rewrite. Yoninah (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think that WP:TNT is a very valid option in this case, it's so terrible. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- While I respect that it will take a lot of work to make this a proper article, WP:TNT is an essay, while WP:DEL-CONTENT is policy. TNT is often cited inappropriately in cases like this. Sure, it's easier to delete content that currently sucks, but that's not the way Wikipedia is supposed to work. We fix fixable things in preference to deleting them. Jclemens (talk) 04:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (technical move to Jessica (Merchant of Venice)). This IS a homework assignment. It is however encyclopedic in nature (meets WP:GNG). I agree with User:Jclemens here - which, mind you, doesn't happen that often. The student added one academic work dedicated to the subject (Slights 2008), through they haven't used it, and the article is somewhat messy plot summary. Given that sources clearly exist (this time again I agree with Jclemens, the provided links are sound), the only question is - is this so bad it warrants WP:TNT? And to that, I say no. The article has a lead that makes sense, summarizes the plot (somewhat), and cites one reliable source. The structure and prose are poor, but IMHO they don't raise to the level of needing a nuke and a restart. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since sources exist we should allow the article to remain in hopes that those sources get incorporated effectively.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:55, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (for now)-- if it makes any difference, the students are English learners and did their best; and if there's a page for the tiniest sci-fi minutiae, there most certainly should be one for Shakespearean characters. Though I agree the page needs considerable work and improvement. Keneckert (talk) 13:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)keneckert[reply]
Keep given the above commentary, and I also support a technical move to Jessica (Merchant of Venice). Aoba47 (talk) 15:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, speedy close. This is a lousy article about a notable Shakespearean character. It was created in good faith by an editor who wanted to improve Wikipedia, in an area where our coverage is grossly deficient. The appropriate action would be for an editor who is reasonably familiar with available sources to stub the article and add suitable references, so that there is a clear framework for improvement. The article creator is the sort of editor who merits encouragement, not being callously driven off. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 16:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep --Xover (talk) 18:34, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, and move to Jessica (The Merchant of Venice) (play name includes the the). --Xover (talk) 18:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Snow" keep, per Xover's excellent rewrite; unquestionably a notable topic and unquestionably a positive addition to the encyclopedia. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:59, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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