Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese Jamaican

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Japanese Jamaican

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Unverifiable and title is a neologism. No reliable, non-trivial sources (i.e. more than a population figure) found on searches like "Japanese Jamaicans", "Japanese immigration to Jamaica", "Japanese (living/working/studying) in Jamaica", "Japanese (people/community/students) in Jamaica", 日系ジャマイカ人, etc. Proposed deletion template removed by creator without comment or improvement by a different account than the creator [1]. cab (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
• OMG Delete-good hunting! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 14:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Fails notability. Edison (talk) 16:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete not this again. JuJube (talk) 12:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• Delete when will it end? when will it end?--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• KEEP -- pending further developments at Talk:Japanese people in the Netherlands#Category framing dispute? --Tenmei (talk) 21:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Reconsidering the array of related issues?

This thread perhaps misconstrues the issues at hand. At first blush, I applied the terms established at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese Guyanese. That article was deleted in due course; and applying similar standards, this one would encounter the same fate.

However, Framing what is relevant becomes crucial.

The Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs distinguishes between expatriates living outside Japan and those who have non-Japanese nationalities. I'm persuaded that we would do well to be guided by that model.

This article could be re-named Japanese expatriates in Jamaica; and if so, it could be categorized in Category:Japanese expatriates along with:

• Japanese people in the Netherlands = Japanese expatriates in the Netherlands?
• Japanese Guyanans = Japanese expatriates in Guyana?
• Japanese people in Hong Kong = Japanese expatriates in Hong Kong?
• Japanese expatriates in the United States?

However, in my view, this article should not have been encompassed within the context established by Japanese diaspora nor should it be categorized with Nikkei articles like

• Japanese Brazilians
• Japanese Americans
• Japanese Filipinos
• Japanese Canadians
• Japanese Peruvians
• Asian Argentine
• Japanese British
• Japanese Australian
• Japanese Spaniards

• Japanese Mexican
• Japanese Bolivian
• Japanese Chilean
• Japanese Colombian
• Japanese Cuban
• Japanese Dominican
• Japanese Paraguayan
• Japanese Uruguayan
• Japanese Venezuelan

• Issei
• Nisei
• Sansei

Consequences applied in other articles?

If the reasoning above makes sense, then it begs the following:

• Japanese people in Hong Kong would need to be renamed Japanese expatriates in Hong Kong; and the article needs to be removed from Template:Japanese diaspora.
  • Japanese Hongkongers should be substituted in the context established by Template:Japanese diaspora.

• Japanese Costa Rican needs to be re-named Japanese expatriates in Costa Rica; and the article needs to be removed from Template:Japanese diaspora.

• Japanese people in Russia would need to be re-named something like Japanese Russians in order to avoid further confusion with an as-yet unwritten article about Japanese expatriates in Russia.

• In this context, Japanese people in North Korea remains anomalous, but not appropriate for inclusion in Template:Japanese diaspora.

• Japanese Dutch? -- A new article needs to be created for those Dutch-born citizens of Japanese descent -- as in the case of the progeny of the American-born, octogenarian artist Shinkichi Tajiri, who has lived in the Netherlands for fifty years, marrying two Dutch women and fathering Dutch children and grand-children of Japanese ethnic ancestry. As currently drafted, Japanese people in the Netherlands is unconnected with Demographics of the Netherlands.

As currently drafted, Japanese Jamaican would appear to be unconnected with Demographics of Jamaica ..., but an AfD thread which considers a re-named article about Japanese expatriates in Jamaica may survive a consensus review?

I hope that this attempt to parse the topics will clarify the issues to be evaluated. --Tenmei (talk) 20:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.