Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jagged Bow

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Marvel Comics characters: J. Opinion is split between merge and delete, but with a consensus not to keep. So either somebody does the merger, or if this doesn't happen or the content doesn't stick, anybody can RfD the redirect. Sandstein 09:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jagged Bow[edit]

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Non-notable comics character with only three or four appearances over 25+ years. Could merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: J but am leaning towards deletion. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 01:26, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: J. No need to delete when merge is a valid option. BOZ (talk) 06:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - there doesn't seem any reason not to have him in the list, but the individual article fails to meet notability, as far as i can tell Nosebagbear (talk) 10:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - there's a great reason not to have him on the list. That list was never intended to be all-inclusive for characters appearing in Marvel Comics - it's purpose is to serve as a central location for non-independently notable characters to avoid multiple articles from having to explain them. This guy is a Hawkeye-based mercenary. This one is linked by four non-list articles. Nothing would be lost by deleting this content. Argento Surfer (talk) 02:04, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure your "location for non-independently notable characters" holds up - the majority of characters on the list are independently notable. That aside (since it is only tangentially relevant), while you're right in the sense no content will be lost (if properly included), so a merge isn't necessary, its presence in other articles doesn't seem to waive the benefit and argument for merging it with the list, which acts as an excellent co-ordinating location for characters both elsewhere and not. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How far did you scroll down the list before coming to the conclusion that most are independently notable? I'd say at least a quarter of the entries on these lists are the results of merges over the last 5 years precisely because they're not notable outside the fiction. This is better suited for the Marvel Wikia. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:18, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I used 4 spot check pages, usually viewed as a good amount on an alphabetical list. Obviously the odds could be against me in this specific case Nosebagbear (talk) 13:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The upper entries on the J list are more notable than the average. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: if the character is not covered in any or very few third-party, reliable sources, then I am not sure about the value of a merge as all of the information that would be added to the list would be in-universe. I agree with Argento Surfer, though I am open to changing my vote if someone provides links to third-party, reliable sources. I tried looking, but I could not find anything. I could be missing the obvious though as my Google game is not that great right (just having Wikipedia fatigue at the moment). Aoba47 (talk) 04:07, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:30, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A Google search doesn't turn up anything that would support notability, and (at least according to Marvel Wikia) the character only appears five times. Namenamenamenamename (talk) 22:02, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. I'm not seeing enough in depth coverage in reliable, independent sources, to meet the notability guidelines. However, the content has value and I don't see any good reason why the information shouldn't be included in the List of Marvel Comics characters: J article, so that seems like the best option to me.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 18:30, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SkyGazer 512: What value does the content have? The character appears five times across Marvel continuity and has a minimal number of incoming links. As others have noted, the lists are not intended to be exhaustive and nothing of importance would be lost by deleting this article. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 20:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tbh, my reasoning is pretty much as simple as what BOZ said. The subject is not notable enough to have its own article, but we have an article right here containing a list of these characters. So instead of deleting the content completely, it makes perfect sense for the information in this article to be merged into the list of characters. Also, I'm not finding many of the arguments as to why we should remove the content completely convincing - I'm still not seeing what the problem would be if we merge the content, rather than have it outright deleted.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 23:30, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure Argento Surfer will be able to put it more eloquently than I will, but from my end I'm in favor of deleting extremely minor characters like this one because of WP:IINFO and WP:MILL. The lists of characters aren't supposed to be wholly exhaustive (that's what fanwikis are for), and not every comic character needs inclusion on a list. There seems to be a recent push towards deletionism from within WP:COMICS and honestly, I'm fine with that. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 23:39, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I will say, is that I don't think all the information that's currently listed on the page necessarily needs to be merged. It might be best to summarize it into a short paragraph and just add that to the List of Marvel Comics characters: J page.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 23:45, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, that's the reason I have made the same argument on several other AFDs all currently going on; there is room enough for at least a handful of sentences for these characters, so we do not need to remove all information about them. BOZ (talk) 00:25, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.