Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Igor Ostrovsky

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 10:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Igor Ostrovsky[edit]

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This individual fails WP:GNG and WP:MANOTE. His only claim to fame is inventing Aquathlon (underwater wrestling). According to its home page, this non-notable martial art is only taught at 16 schools in the world. This art should not be confused with the well-known swimming event known as Aquathlon. Both articles lack any independent sources and I didn't find any when I searched.

I am also nominating the following related page for the reasons mentioned above: Aquathlon (underwater wrestling). Papaursa (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. —Papaursa (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Aquathlon is an international sport, known at least in the several countries of the former USSR and also in Israel and Italy, with international competitions being held for quite a long time. In 2008 aquathlon was included into CMAS envelope [1]. There are plenty of independent sources to be found on the subject, like this [2]. More can be found in Russian or Hebrew languages, like this article in Russian [3] containing some facts of Ostrovsky's biography. In the total, Google gives some 20000 results for request "Игорь Островский акватлон" (Igor Ostrovsky aquathlon) [4]. So both the underwater wrestling and its inventor are quite notable, just the existing articles on them need much more work on. And if you don't like the possible confusion with aquathlon as the swimming event, I may suggest to move the article aquathlon (underwater wrestling) to simply underwater wrestling. Greyhood (talk) 11:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both I agree the articles need more work, but the aquathlon article has been tagged for over 2 years and the Ostrovsky article since January 2009. For the English wikipedia it would be nice to find sources in English since I don't know Russian or Hebrew. I still don't see where either passes WP:MANOTE. Astudent0 (talk) 13:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I can improve the articles if there is an urgent need. And see, there are sources in English, once again this example [5] - from the Eastern Mediterranean University. It passes for sure at least a half of WP:MANOTE criteria: there are secondary sources about aquathlon, it was recognised by an international inter-style organisation (CMAS), it has a history of 35+ years and there were some international competitions. And after all, an underwater wrestling is quite a distinctive concept, not just another form of punching-kicking-grappling on surface. Greyhood (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We'll have to agree to disagree and see what others say. I see an art with few practitioners (much less notable ones) and few schools that teach it. Papaursa (talk) 01:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"I can improve the articles if there is an urgent need". I am not sure what more you would be looking for to indicate "an urgent need" than the fact that they are up for deletion? MM207.69.139.155 (talk) 00:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete When I do a search on Google RU for those search terms, I get about 868 hits for Игорь Островский акватлон, and about 3 when searching those exact terms, which is hardly notable. The English search results are just as bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.20.219.166 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 1 May 2010

Well, seems you are right about 868 links, though this search gives me about 20000 links [6], but the number shrinks when I proceed through the pages. Searching those exact terms is pointless, since there is no reason they should be arranged in such a way in Russian. And I don't think that 868 is too few. The links are quite varaible - news sites, diver clubs, general sport sites etc. Greyhood (talk) 18:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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