Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fez (That '70s Show)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Synergy 00:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fez (That '70s Show)[edit]

This page fails to meet notability in my mind. Wikipedia should not be a collection of TV and movie trivia. This page is non-encyclopedic.Strummingbabe (talk) 22:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 09:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, merge or redirect. If the character has indeed existed during the entire course of the show, it's likely the character was important to the story. So that makes him notable. Verifiability is something else, but at the very least a reduced version of the material could be merged in the show or actor article (if it's already sufficiently covered elsewhere, there should be a redirect to discourage recreation. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It needs sources, but he is one the main characters in a sitcome that was very popular and lasted a long time. TJ Spyke 17:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just because the sitcom is notable doesn't mean its characters are. If you think we should keep this article, then you need to provide the sources. --Explodicle (T/C) 18:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to That '70s Show. Once some sources are brought to light that establish notability I will change my mind, but until then it's at least a reasonable search term. --Explodicle (T/C) 18:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - DHowell found some decent sources, proving notability. --Explodicle (T/C) 15:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep if the deletion rationale used here is applied to all of Wikipedia, a great number of articles would be deleted. If that is the consensus, however, they should all be deleted at once, not in a piecemeal fashion that would leave Wikipedia sort-of covering something. These are some of the hundreds of articles that would have to go: Maggie Simpson, Daphne Moon, Michael Scott, Glenn Quagmire etc, etc, etc. I'm not arguing we should keep Fez's article just because other crap exists, I am arguing that if we decide that an article about a major character on a popular television show is not notable enough for Wikipedia, the decision should be made for all such articles, not just cherrypicked ones from shows that are vigilantly watched through a Wikiproject. This is a larger question that should be addressed by more than the few people who will run across this AfD. SMSpivey (talk) 05:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Moreover I just surfed around and found a few references to Fez as a standard, landmark example of the stereotypical representations of foreigners in American media. This place as the go-to example in American culture (it is also on a number of blogs, which doesn't mean anything to wikipedia) of this stereotype easily makes it notable in a stand-alone way. Far more notable than most random television characters, actually. I added those references to the bottom of the article for now, since the article itself does not yet address the character's notability outside of general plot info. SMSpivey (talk) 05:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator should have linked to the guideline he is using - Wikipedia:Notability. Basically, the sources are the problem, not the subject matter; Maggie Simpson, Michael Scott (The Office), and Glenn Quagmire have plenty of good sources, but Daphne Moon is lacking in sources so it might get deleted or redirected. --Explodicle (T/C) 16:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Possibly the show's most notable character, due to the way Valderamma portrayed him and developed the accent. I'll try to dig up some better sourcing, but if the character's independent notability is all that's driving this nomination, I'd be surprised if there's nothing out there to support it. Townlake (talk) 05:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, easily notable. Here are better sources: "TV character Fez slides back into the past" in The Dallas Morning News, "Why Is That Stale 70s Show Still On TV?" in the New York Post (quotes: "Fez is easily the most grating character on 'That 70s Show' and maybe the most irritating individual on TV today," "Fez would seem to be the character most likely to earn a spinoff series."), and the book Performing Whiteness, pp. 142-143, by Gwendolyn Audrey Foster. DHowell (talk) 02:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That looks good enough for me, thanks! --Explodicle (T/C) 15:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: you're kidding me. This was a memorable character in that long running tv series, appearing on the first episode to the last aired. JamesBurns (talk) 03:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Snowball keep, per above, couldn't say it better myself. Ikip (talk) 17:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

[1], [2], [3]

These three all appear to just trivially mention the character, not discuss him directly in detail as required. --Explodicle (T/C) 16:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.