Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eternity (comics)

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The result was keep. Tone 08:28, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eternity (comics)[edit]

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Non-notable fictional character TTN (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve. Marvel Studios has already announced a forthcoming Eternals movie, and Eternity will inevitably be a character central to that movie, which will lead to continuously increased coverage over the next several years. bd2412 T 01:47, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Notable fictional character, if it is apart of forthcoming Eternals movie. This will increase its coverage.--PATH SLOPU 08:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTAL is a pointless argument. Being in the MCU does not inherently make a character notable. It's more typical that being notable leads to inclusion in the MCU, but there are still plenty of minor characters that don't have articles. TTN (talk) 10:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Or is he already in the MCU...? =) -2pou (talk) 23:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above arguments (and actually, most characters in the MCU films have been well-established, but several were "who the hell is that?" before the film) or if that argument fails, then a merge to List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics as this can be split back out when the sources are found. BOZ (talk) 12:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note that more sources have been added to the article since the AFD started. BOZ (talk) 18:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please also note that absolutely none of them are relevant to the issues of notability or real world information. The only sentence added that even attempts to do so is very poorly inserted into the article. TTN (talk) 21:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A genuine notable character. Can be improved more Spittingchamp (talk) 14:45, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep @CarciaNullius: thanks for adding a plethora or secondary sources to support the article. I've abstained from most of these cosmic character nominations, but this one is definitely notable. Notability is even exemplified by noting his absence in some cases. -2pou (talk) 23:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep prominent comic-book character. Freeknowledgecreator (talk) 05:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It appears that the subject is notable. Barca (talk) 12:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to relevant list of superheroes. Sources in the article, why numerous, are 100% WP:PRIMARY/in passing. The argument that 'there will be sources because there will be a movie' is irrelevant per WP:CRYSTALBALL; when those sources appear, this can be restored and improved. Nobody found any source discussing this characrters impact or such. Fails WP:NFICTION. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:47, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics - The plethora of sources on this article are pretty useless as actually establishing any sort of real-world notability. They are either 1)primary sources 2)non-reliable sources 3)plot summaries only 4)extremely brief mentions with no extensive coverage, or multiple combinations of several of those. The argument that keeps coming up here that there will be bound to me more coverage because of the upcoming The Eternals film is quite confusing to me, as I am finding no connection between the two besides similar names. I don't know of any particular close connection this character has to the group - the Eternals are not mentioned at all in this article outside of stating that Thanos is one, Eternity is not mentioned at all in the Eternals (comics) article, and I am finding nothing showing any sort of announcement that he will have any presence in the upcoming film. Where exactly is this argument coming from? Rorshacma (talk) 15:52, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Amakuru (talk) 12:32, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics per Rorshacma.4meter4 (talk) 01:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 03:39, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics. I like the character, but he's only notable within the fiction. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: After looking over the new refs, I have to agree that they don't help much. However, there is still a lot out there, it's just harder to find since "Eternity" is such a general term. I have compiled a bunch of refs, and I have enough to add a Reception/Legacy/Impact section. Stand by while I work on it. -2pou (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (still a keep): As I have seen more of these AfDs and other contributors, I realize I took the wrong approach with my last comment. I still plan to add detail to the section, but for now, it's more important to show that the sources WP:NEXIST regardless of their inclusion in the article, and I'll polish it over time. (Thanks, @Girth Summit and Pontificalibus: for opening my eyes to this fact in this AfD and multiple It AfDs, respectively.)
1. Eternity's introduction, namely the surreal imagery and concept of personifying abstract concepts is responsible for including "The Eternity Saga" in multiple lists of Top Doctor Strange stories to read: [1], [2]; and in the top comic storylines to read [3]. (Yes, they're Top X lists, but they won't stand alone.)
2. Jeffery, Scott (2016). "The Cosmic Body". The Posthuman Body in Superhero Comics. Palgrave Studies in Comics and Graphic Novels. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. doi:10.1057/978-1-137-54950-1_5. ISBN 978-1-137-57822-8. This points out the unique concept of the character Eternity at the time. I requested my library get this after finding it on Scholar. Eternity is one of Ditko's works that impacted Starlin and Englehart.
3. Another book discusses him as a truly great concept of the time [4] (no, this ref is not WP:ALLPLOT)
4. Bell, B. (2008). Strange and Stranger: The World of Steve Ditko. Fantagraphics Books. - This book also discusses the unique creation of Eternity, and Jim Starlin comments on how there was no character similar to him at the time, including Kirby's creations, and how it inspired some of his cosmic work on things like Captain Marvel and Warlock.
4. Eternity is central in Marvel's 80th anniversary celebration and Marvel Comics #1000, where the Eternity Mask is part of his being and it has influenced Marvel Universe events for a long time. [5] [6]
That's about it for now, but I have several book requests at the library, and it's more than enough to satisfy the GNG. I'm putting them in messily just so they're there, and even WP:NEXIST won't apply, but section is under construction. -2pou (talk) 03:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! BOZ (talk) 04:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.