Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baba Raúl Cañizares

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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) -- Lord Roem (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Baba Raúl Cañizares[edit]

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Several claims to notability made, but fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:BK, WP:NMUSIC, WP:CREATIVE, and WP:GNG. Qworty (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete — the subject has some passing coverage, but zero in the way of substantial coverage that would lend to meeting WP:GNG. The coverage that exists gives little in the way of an encyclopedic biography. The article has also blossomed into a WP:RESUME, which is distracting. But. As to WP:AUTHOR/WP:ACADEMIC, the subject's writings could support content at Santeria, especially Walking with the night: The Afro-Cuban world of Santeria (1993) (cited by 34), and Cuban Santeria: Walking with the night (1999) (cited by 17). Others, and the substance of their citations, seem less substantial. That said, these two publications alone seem rather authoritative within an obscure but squarely notable topic. I'll watch in case good sources containing valid biographical content, even perhaps WP:PRIMARY sources are found to support a biography on this subject. I've no doubt the subject is an expert, but not every expert is biographically notable. JFHJr (㊟) 05:50, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having some trouble with this as well. The best argument I can extend so far is that I'm seeing where his works are listed in various books as sources or further reading, so he might be savable under that. I'm just sort of ambivalent about that argument though, as he's not listed in that many books as a reference or reading recommendation.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:43, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think this might be usable as a redirect to Santaria in general with a very, VERY brief mention of him somewhere in the article?Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:43, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Canizares was an important voice in the American Santeria community. Author of over a dozen books and founder of the Orisha Consciousness Movement, he is certainly notable. I urge you to read the obituary/tribute in Ashe Journal [1] before passing judgement; there is data there that needs to be made into proper citations, as there is in the text Qworty deleted before making the nomination. The article needs work, but the subject is, IMO, notable.Rosencomet (talk) 14:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on the basis of the worldcat listing for Cuban Santeria, [2] which shows over 300 library holdings and a spanish translation. The holdings include a fair number of university libraries: as highlights, Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Penn State, McGill, Duke, Chicago, Minnesota, Texas, --and several European universities. Using the subject heading for Santeria, it's the third most widely held among 616 books on the subject. Considering the subject, I accept this as showing him an authority. DGG ( talk ) 02:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Enough library holdings to keep it certainly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.160.179.145 (talk) 20:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Coment. I haven't yet examined the claims of the nominator; I know, though I disagree that the subject fails WP:AUTHOR or WP:CREATIVE. In any event, WP:BK doesn't even belong in the list. No one is claiming Baba Raul Canizares is a notable book. Rosencomet (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Canizares is a major force in his field of study and his religion. He is author of several books that are used as textbooks in accredited American Universities, and is a founder in his tradition of Santeria. He is also an accomplished musician and a minor but important recording artist. An obvious Keep. The article does need improving, though.Oddio (talk) 13:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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