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Speedy deletion of Heart attack first aid

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Heart attack first aid

Hi, I've had a word with other folks and the decision was to remove this article from the wiki.

Heart attack is very serious, and first aid is very useful, but these are the reasons:

1. The information in this article is not specifically about myocardial infarction ("heart attack"), but mostly about resusitation techniques in the context of drowning, angina, tachycardia, or similar, and it's not clear which and how much applies to infarcation in general. In general, resusitation information belongs under cardiopulmonary resuscitation which is the correct term for restarting someones heart. For actual and more specific first aid for someone who has a myocardial infarction you might want to add that material to Heart attack#First aid. That's our best guess anyhow.
2. The article is not going to be easy to sort out, by others. What is clear is it needs to mostly be moved, some into cardiopulmonary resuscitation and some into Heart attack#First aid, if it's not already properly covered.
3. Once this sorting out between those two articles is done, there actually isn't any content remaining that doesn't belong in those two articles. (You might want to make this page a redirect to heart attack?) A few admins discussed the article, and agreed that it was right to remove it, for now (admins: see deletion log), because there isn't actually evidence there is an article in the sense that all its contents are already under 2 other articles, it's not clear what isn't.
4. To help do this, I've copied the text below so that you can check it and reuse it, and not lose it.

Hope this helps, and good luck with writing!!

FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 18:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Heart attack first aid { {howto}} Heart attack first aid can be done using the Mammalian Diving Reflex (MDR) with a method known as the Chase Maneuver (CM). Due to the Mammalian Diving Reflex altering the body’s use of oxygen, some victims of cold water drowning can be revived after more than 20 minutes of submersion without the usual signs of brain damage that can occur. Some experimental work has been done to use this reflex (MDR) to control heart arrhythmias. The technique used cool water on the face only. This was of interest because it indicates that the whole body need not be submerged to activate MDR. It apparently is due to stimulation of nerves terminating in the face; the skin around the nose and eyes is most sensitive. It is suggested that this method, The Chase Maneuver (CM), could be put to use for prolonging the time that a patient can survive the effects of a heart attack or warm water drowning. This could be done by having the dispatcher at the emergency number instruct the person calling to place a cold, 10 to 20 degree Centigrade, and wet ice water cooled cloth over the victims face, leaving an airway. The cloth should not be freezing cold; the key is to make very good contact between the cloth and face, leaving an airway. This cloth should be kept wet and cool until the victim is transported to an emergency facility. The cloth should also be kept in place while doing CPR. The Chase Maneuver may work to control tachycardia, dangerous EKGs and possibly angina. Because of the mild and non-invasive nature of this intervention, it should be relatively easy to do clinical testing. References Andersen, H. T., Physiology Review, ‘Physiological Adaptation in Diving Vertebrates’, 46:212 (1966) Gooden, Brett A., Medical Journal of Australia, ‘Drowning and the Diving Reflex in Man’, 2:583 (1972) Parfrey, P., Irish Journal of Medical Science, ‘Facial Areas Involved in MDR’, 144:335 (1975) Aviation Space and Environmental Medicine, 53(3): 273-276. { {health-stub}} [ [Category:First aid]] [ [Category:Cardiovascular system]]

You've inserted this material into myocardial infarction and cardiopulmonary resuscitation. Are you aware that none of this is recommended by any of the official bodies, and that your research is 30 years old? This should be included only if recent high-quality evidence supports it, and then not in the form of an advice leaflet. Please review no original research (I can't see any evidence for clinical application of the mammalian diving reflex) and WP:UNDUE. JFW | T@lk 18:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)