Talk:Suger

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Suger article

This article is about the French Abbot, Suger. The article begins with an explanation of Suger's past and his educational background. The article states that Suger was the "inventor of Gothic Architecture[1]," but there is much more written about his background than of his contributions to architecture. There is a section devoted to his contributions to Gothic Architecture, but it seems lacking, and could use a little more depth and discussion about all of the things he contributed to that particular style. It only brings up that he redid the Church of Saint Denis, and this article would have been stronger if there had been mention of any buildings he was responsible for during his lifetime. There is also a very brief section about his writings that is a bit vague and could be improved upon. Overall, there is much more said about his background than of his importance to the development of Gothic Architecture.

All of the sources on this article seem credible, but a few of them date back into the late eighties and nineties. The sources used are most likely credible sources of information, but this article could be improved with the use of those sources in addition to some newer and more updated sources.

Overall, this article has great information and facts on the life and accomplishments of Abbot Suger. It is a bit information-heavy on his background, and it could be improved if more information was given about his contributions to Gothic Architecture and some more of his writings and other works.

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Kswaim98 (talk) 23:11, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Suger rush

I cannot return to this to complete the article until late May (that is, if I remember to) but hope that the edits so far will be useful. — aoyma3 (talk) 00:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

It is wonderful and convenient, that someone is still working on the article. I updated the links to Panofsky's book, and flew over the text. I recognized strange (if not self-serving) references like "Suger, VLG, 150–70." Who many readers may decipher this, particularly who are not even aware that the numbers at the end mean pages. Since I didn't find any clue how to identify these enigmatic references, I hope you might know about it and be able to write them out or be specific which of the sources is meant by the abbreviation. Would be appreciated. Wiki is for all to read, not for professionals. MenkinAlRire 13:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

You are right in highlighting that, at the moment, the short references on this page are not the best; unlike the bibliography, I have not yet formalised all of the references and notes in the article as they are from other sections of the article I have not yet gotten to. As per your request I will add in the pp. (where appropriate) to indicate page numbers. The VLG source you are looking for is The Deeds of Louis the Fat (Vie de Louis le Gros), the abbreviation is Panofsky's. I will look at improving the references section, alongside the rest of the article, in the next week or so. — aoyma3 (talk) 08:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Aoyma3, I didn't mean to rush you. I came here via Panofsky and at first only changed the ref to actually get to Ps txt (I like abbrevs. too,-) If it’s you working on it, that’s totally fine by me. I sometimes also have this situation, since I like working on the page instead of the sandbox. Nice work by the way. I didn't know about him and the importance of his role in the history of architecture. More about that would be great, as another user already mentioned. MenkinAlRire 10:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)