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Unlinked homosexual lifestyle

The term homosexual lifestyle is currently a redirect to LGBT culture, which is not the pejorative sense in which it is being used in this sentence in the lead:

Additionally, it has been used by social conservatives and others to describe alleged goals of LGBT rights activists, such as recruiting heterosexuals into what conservatives term a "homosexual lifestyle".

The term was recently the subject of an Afd which determined that there is no consensus to change the current redirect. So, I've unlinked the term for now, so it doesn't target a suprising destination article.

One solution for this, would be to expand the redirect into an article about the term homosexual lifestyle itself. There is already nearly enough information about the term in the Afd itself, to create a brief article; see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 May 24#History of the term. If that is done, the wikilink in the lead should be reinstated. Mathglot (talk) 00:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So what do you think "homosexual lifestyle" means, if it isn't LGBT culture? Equinox ◑ 08:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's used to imply that being gay is simply a lifestyle choice rather than an innate quality of a person. People use it to disparage having same-sex partners, not waving rainbow flags. The current redirect is not optimal. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source?

Can someone please add a source on it being introduced by Christian right or add the "citation needed" tag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.102.202.78 (talk) 09:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably you refer to the sentence in the lead (introduction) to the article. Per Wikipedia's manual of style, the lead should summarise the most important points of the article and, provided the information in that summary has proper sourcing in the article body, the lead does not need citation markers. In other words: since the sources are presented in the article, we don't need citation markers for them in the introduction. --bonadea contributions talk 10:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV issue in intro

In the intro, this article calls the term "homosexual agenda" "disparaging". According to Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Words_to_watch, articles should avoid words like these. Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_specifying_biased_statements says that you can have an opinion like this in an article only if you use in-text attribution, which the intro does not. I tried to neutral-ize the intro a bit by removing "disparaging". It was reverted with the summary "Reverting POV nonsense. It is not "neutral" to pretend that a blatantly offensive slur can be anything but blatantly offensive (and so say the sources)". Golemwire (talk) 22:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Words to Watch doesn't say that the word "disparaging" itself should be avoided. It advises editors to "[s]trive to eliminate expressions that are flattering, disparaging, vague, or clichéd". Thus, when people who dislike a particular politician or journalist edit articles to say "X is a biased journalist" or "Y is an incompetent prime minister", that needs to be reverted per NPOV, but that's not the same as removing information about the usage of a particular term that is in itself disparaging or pejorative. For instance, it would not be particularly neutral if the article Bitch (slang) were to say "Bitch, literally meaning a female dog, is a slang word for a person — usually a woman" rather than "...a pejorative slang word...", since "bitch" is pejorative in itself. The same thing applies to "homosexual agenda": it is not simply a term for advocacy of acceptance of LGBTQ people, but a disparaging term for such advocacy – it is inherently part of what the phrase means, and it was coined for that purpose. There are multiple sources in the article showing this. To explain the phrase as if it were neutral and could be used disparagingly or not would be akin to saying that "bitch" is simply another word for "woman". --bonadea contributions talk 09:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, thanks. --Golemwire (talk) 15:36, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 June 2021

The request to rename this article to Gay agenda has been carried out.

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Homosexual agenda → Gay agenda – More common name. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Elli (talk | contribs) 03:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Long-standing title of a popular article, should be discussed. I personally would oppose such a move - I hear the term "homosexual agenda" much more, and I think it's more recognizable. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Searching Google Scholar for "gay agenda" returns 30% more results than "homosexual agenda". Not seeing how one would be any more recognizable than the other. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:29, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was surprised to find that "gay agenda" was in fact rather more common than "homosexual agenda" in the News on the Web corpus which covers six different varieties of English (513 hits for "gay agenda", 213 hits for "homosexual agenda"), while the Corpus of Contemporary American English had a very slight preference for "homosexual agenda" (124 hits, with 116 hits for "gay agenda"). I would have thought that "homosexual agenda" would have been considerably more common, but intuitions can't be trusted – unless there are strong arguments made for keeping the current title, I support the move. --bonadea contributions talk 07:19, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. I personally have not heard this concept referred to by the current article title, only the proposed new one. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:46, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral — examining Newspapers.com worldwide data (which is US-centric unfortunately) they are about equally common. "Gay agenda" was somewhat more common in the 1990s, "homosexual agenda" somewhat more in the 2000s. Both were rare in the 1980s and both are rare today. Jno.skinner (talk) 22:39, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]