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Talkpage expectations
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I don't like the idea of getting pings over someone putting a box on my page that says I did nothing wrong while vaguely insinuating that I did, so I'm just parking these here instead.
Update 18:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC): You know what, screw it. Keeping track of which to list is more trouble than it's worth, and I don't need any one-hit immunity. I'm aware of all of them. Even the weird ones like the Shakespeare authorship question or Waldorf education. If anything, I'm more likely to think something is a DS topic when it isn't, than vice versa. |
WikiLove and WikiHate
Defender of the Wiki Barnstar from Joshua Jonathan
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Absolutely deserved for uncovering the Swaminarayan-sockfarm. A lot of work is waiting, but you did great! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:14, 25 June 2021 (UTC) |
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Goat from EpicPupper
Thanks for giving me that SPI idea, and for the guidance that came with it!
🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk, FAQ, contribs | please use {{ping}} on reply) 03:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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Barnstar of Diligence from L235
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Hi Tamzin, I'm Kevin. Thank you for your diligence on the Moksha88 SPI; had it been a less thorough report, it may have been overlooked or neglected, especially after the negative CU results. We're lucky to have had you looking into this. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 06:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC) |
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Civility Barnstar from Sdkb & Writ Keeper
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Without getting into the messy question of whether or not the other editor's professed ignorance is plausible, I think it's clear your calm, non-judgmental efforts to explain why their comments were offensive have been helpful and appreciated by all. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC) |
- I definitely second this. Your essay is excellent, as well. You're doing the (proverbial) Lord's work, and with much more patience than I. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:07, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Further kind words
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Vandalism warning from Nosebagbear and whomever most recently edited this page
Hello, I'm Tamzin. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. Nosebagbear (talk)
- Block me if you must, but you'll never catch my socks!
- (They're very cozy slipper-socks with like a stylized dog face on the top and then little fake ears on the side. Very cozy socks. AND YOU'LL NEVER CATCH THEM!) -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 13:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, people from the future. Confused why your name shows up here? See here. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 05:18, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Outrageous abuse of power by Tamzin
- I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Tamzin. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Opposition to human rights, and have marked it as unreviewed. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.
(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Outrageous, Tamzin. I demand you resign your patrollership. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Pinned discussions
- Some of these discussions are collapsed because no one's commented in a while. They're still open discussions, though! If you want to reply to something, just remove the {{cot}}/{{cob}} tags around the discussion.
Editing principles (Topic: Neurodivergence)
Initially ran 4 May 2021 to 7 May 2021. Featuring Vaticidalprophet and Elli. Collapsed but still open to new comments.
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Just noticed the new one. It's an interesting one, and a matter I've thought about how to phrase. I suspect myself a lot of neurotypes odd in the general population are the default baseline on Wikipedia, but there's only so many ways you can say it without sounding like you're insulting someone (and I freely admit I can be less careful and more flippant with my word choice than you often are, certainly when I'm in the ANI peanut gallery). I've noticed there's an unfortunate correlation between editors who freely disclose neurodivergence and editors with significant competence issues, and I've wondered what consequences it has for the project as a whole in terms of interacting with people who are more clearly not working on neurotypical principles than our already high average -- though, of course, many disclosed neurodivergent editors are substantial and obvious assets. Vaticidalprophet 04:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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Awful joke (Topic: Adminship)
This section in a nutshell: Yes, okay? Just... Gimme a sec. Geez. /lh |
You're not funny, but here's something that's definitely not a laughing matter - why aren't you an admin yet? Once you're back, I'm sure there's plenty of people who'd nominate you ~TNT (talk) 19:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW I agree entirely with TNT. Definitely something you should be considering :) firefly ( t · c ) 19:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- No doubt about that. When I've seen your talk page comments I have always been really impressed and feel like someone with those skills would fit perfectly in the role of an admin. --Trialpears (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- I already am an admin, on the very prestigious testwiki and testwikidatawiki, thank you very much! No, but in seriousness, thanks for the kind words, y'all. I had this conversation with Tavix and Ritchie333 a few years ago, and think I was right to not take either up on his offer then; I don't think I was quite ready. Despite having been around a while, I feel like I only came to really understand Wikipedia in the past year. And, to paraphrase John Wick, people keep asking if I'm ready to be an admin, and yeah, I'm starting to think I'm ready.
- As I've said before, I consider my account's rename last October to be a soft clean start (
redlinking to remind myself to write thatwrote it!), not because I necessarily had anything to be ashamed of, but just because I didn't really like the person I'd been. My philosophy with this has been that I wouldn't speak much of past accomplishments, and in return would ask people not hold past failings against me. (The failings may well be more numerous in my mind than in reality, but either way.) I couldn't really ask the latter of RfA voters, so I'd be willing to run at least partly on my pre-User:Tamzin record, but primarily I'd want to run on my work in this incarnation. Work I'm very proud of, but which I feel is a bit incomplete, and a bit short-lived. - Excluding this mental health leave, which is thankfully coming to a close (which is good because I've been itching to fire up AWB and fix the 170ish articles that mislabel a Swedish source (ISO 639:sv) as being in Northern Sami (ISO 639:se)), I've been continuously active since January, so I think I'd want till at least this coming January to build up a bit more of a recent track record, as well as show my commitment to maintaining a reasonable activity level, especially given that I was almost completely inactive from March of 2018 through September of 2020. I'd also want to wait till I've done a bit more quality content work and gotten 'zinbot approved at least for the task I've already coded for it and hopefully for a few others. But I'm reasonably confident that I can get all that done by January.
- On that note:
- In general, yes. I'd like to run, shooting for January.
- To the person who recently emailed me offering a nomination, if you're reading this: I'll get back to you presently about what that might look like (a.k.a. try to talk you out of it
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). - @Firefly: We all know you're overdue for adminship yourself, and you've been active again about as long as I have. Wanna flight it up? Can flip a coin on who goes first, or run at the same time.
- I'm always very worried about echo chambers and groupthink, so if anyone's reading this and thinks they'd be landing on the oppose side of things or would be on the fence, please feel free to let me know your concerns, here or by email, so I can either adjust my parameters of what I should do before running, or at least draft a good response to a potential tough question.
- @TheresNoTime: I'm the funniest person you've ever met, and you know it.
:P
- -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 08:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I’m immensely flattered that you think I’m qualified to run! I would definitely be up for an ‘RfA flight’ as and when the time came - assuming I could find anyone silly enough to nominate me and they thought I was ready around the same time. :) I absolutely echo point 4 of your post and invite anyone with concerns about my eventual suitability to let me know. Mostly though I’m just glad you’re up for running! firefly ( t · c ) 18:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- You already know you could get a nom today =) --Trialpears (talk) 18:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Trialpears, I do, and for that I am greatly appreciative :) firefly ( t · c ) 20:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I'm still bearing the scars of my own RfA and that was six years ago this week. It was brutal. My advice is
- a) make sure that those people who believe in you are aware that you are having an RfA...some people don't look at their Watchlists and may not even know that an RfA is happening;
- b) start an RfA at a time when you feel strong and can be present 100%. You shouldn't respond to every criticism but you'd be surprised how often an editor starts an RfA and suddenly becomes busy and disappears from Wikipedia for a few days. Those are never successful. You have to be present;
- c) Stick with it through the entire week. There is generally a burst of support at the beginning and then the opposers show up after a few days. I think there are some editors who would be admins right now but they withdrew their nomination after the critics began speaking up. But unless it's an unexpected tidalwave of "No"s, the close votes can go back and forth and it could turn in your favor if you hang in there and don't throw in the towel.
- Just a few ideas for anyone considering an RfA. Right now, it looks like you have a lot of support! Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- I can see that that sweet-talking hasn't done any good, so let me try a different approach. I'm getting tired of having to do stuff for you. If I nominated you, would you actually refuse the nomination? -- RoySmith (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I'm still bearing the scars of my own RfA and that was six years ago this week. It was brutal. My advice is
- Trialpears, I do, and for that I am greatly appreciative :) firefly ( t · c ) 20:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- You already know you could get a nom today =) --Trialpears (talk) 18:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I’m immensely flattered that you think I’m qualified to run! I would definitely be up for an ‘RfA flight’ as and when the time came - assuming I could find anyone silly enough to nominate me and they thought I was ready around the same time. :) I absolutely echo point 4 of your post and invite anyone with concerns about my eventual suitability to let me know. Mostly though I’m just glad you’re up for running! firefly ( t · c ) 18:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- No doubt about that. When I've seen your talk page comments I have always been really impressed and feel like someone with those skills would fit perfectly in the role of an admin. --Trialpears (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I have a fairly non-trivial COI here, but can you please hurry the heck up and run before the end of 2021 Tamzin? This has been a slow year, Eostrix notwithstanding, and we could do with another Blablubbs-esque RfA.... ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 01:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Initially ran 26 October 2021 to 30 October 2021. Featuring Hijiri88, Ezlev, Aerin17, and BDD. Collapsed but still open to new comments.
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Arrgh... it's been a while since I thought about Japanese doesn't use pronouns anywhere nearly as much English, because content that is implied from context (as the referents of pronouns almost always are) is usually omitted: the Japanese for "I ate it" isn't "Watashi-wa sore-o tabeta" (literally "I it ate") but rather "Tabeta yo" ("Ate sentence-terminal-particle") and "I met her" isn't "Watashi-wa kanojo-ni atta" but rather "Atta yo"; "I ate it" or "She ate it" in Japanese would only specify the subject if it were in response to the question "Who ate it?", and even then "she" would necessitate a separate indication of who the girl/woman in question is, such as pointing, which is rude. (Needless to say, the Japanese version of Utada's website doesn't use any pronouns where the English version uses "she" and "her".) I actually recently found out that both the "Japanese words for he and she" that I learned in my beginner Japanese class were recent coinages based on English/French, the "word for he" being a redefined word classical Japanese pronoun that originally referred a person or thing that is far away from both the speaker and the listener, and the "word for she" being the same word, in the classical Japanese equivalent of the genitive case, with the noun "woman" attached after it. This kind of development would not be possible, needless to say, if personal pronouns were as entrenched in the actual Japanese language that people spoke every day as they are in English or French. I suspect this is why "pronouns" aren't really a thing on Japanese Twitter (etc.) like they are in America and Europe: it's my impression that a not-insignificant percentage of American pop-stars have their pronouns listed in their Twitter profile, and this percentage probably skyrockets when one only counts those pop-stars who have stated a gender identity other than cisgender male or female, but with Japanese pop-stars (even those who also hold American citizenship and live in Europe, and "occasionally tweet in English"), the former percentage is probably close to zero and the latter may be higher, but as far as I'm aware Utada is the most prominent case at the moment, and... So yeah, it looks like the Utada case is going to be solved by a consensus of editors based on the fact that sources affiliated with the subject use a particular pronoun pattern, but if more Japanese (etc.) pop stars, voice actors/actresses, live action actors/actresses, video game producers, etc. with anglophone fan-bases and extensive coverage in English-language blogs and "reliable sources" that are little more reliable than blogs, start coming out as non-binary, gender-fluid, etc., a discussion might need to be had about how the MOS passage you quoted applies to such cases. A huge hullabaloo was made about a decade back about whether personal websites (or websites maintained by publicists) should take precedence over academic publications with regard to MOS:JAPAN#Modern names (with reference to whether long vowels should be marked), which I think kinda missed the point there (if we take URLs or copyright information on Japanese-language websites into account, we get people named "Sakaguchi Jun'ichirō" being identified as "Sakaguti Junitiro" just because the webmaster created the URL based primarily on how Japanese text is input on a keyboard). But I suspect that, when it comes to gender identity, personal/official websites should definitely take precedence over third-party sources that often pass for "reliable" in pop culture articles, no matter how many such sources there are or how recent they are compared to what we assume to be the latest update on the personal/official website. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC) BTW, I should thank you for your positive input on the Utada page! :D Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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Pipe trick
Thanks for including the link! I didn't know it existed before, and I believe it will be very helpful moving forward.
While I'm here, I 100% agree with controversial opinion #3.
BilledMammal (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Notify box
Thanks for the kind message but I have had requests denied because I didn't inform the suspected sockpuppet. So, I'm afraid I will have to continue to check that box until there is an option to only inform the sockpuppet. Sjö (talk) 07:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Sjö: Thanks for following up. Can I ask when/where that happened? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- I don’t remember now, I have been active for a long time. But I checked the guidelines and as they say that notification is just an option, I’ll try making reports without checking that box. Sjö (talk) 17:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Sjö: To very belatedly follow up: Heh, you really have been here a long time, because NavPopups won't even tell me how long. Anyways, yeah, I think the norms changed at one point in a pretty hard 180°. The next version of Twinkle will be removing the feature entirely, at my suggestion with the support of some others on the SPI team. Editors of course can still do it manually, but I'm of the opinion that, if you do have a good reason to be notifying someone of an SPI, it's probably a situation where it should be a custom message rather than a template. Since usually if I notify people it's to say something like "Okay you clearly have something to do with this user, but are you a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet?"... just more politely.
;)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Sjö: To very belatedly follow up: Heh, you really have been here a long time, because NavPopups won't even tell me how long. Anyways, yeah, I think the norms changed at one point in a pretty hard 180°. The next version of Twinkle will be removing the feature entirely, at my suggestion with the support of some others on the SPI team. Editors of course can still do it manually, but I'm of the opinion that, if you do have a good reason to be notifying someone of an SPI, it's probably a situation where it should be a custom message rather than a template. Since usually if I notify people it's to say something like "Okay you clearly have something to do with this user, but are you a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet?"... just more politely.
- I don’t remember now, I have been active for a long time. But I checked the guidelines and as they say that notification is just an option, I’ll try making reports without checking that box. Sjö (talk) 17:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Polari reversions
Hello Tamzin! I'd just like to let you know that I saw and don't disagree with your reversion on Polari. I was reverting the reversion mainly because I thought it was a misuse of rollback. (I very slightly prefer "homosexual" in general, but prefer the more general "sex workers" in this context.) Thanks for explaining. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Tol: Thanks, yeah, I hope my edit summary was clear that I don't disagree with your procedural revert. I've made many reverts like that one myself before. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:13, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- No problem. On an entirely different note, have you considered running for adminship? I've seen you around in a variety of places, and you always seem to be helpful, polite, and knowledgeable. I think you should consider running. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Tol: Belated answer, but, see § Awful joke (Topic: Adminship). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- No problem. On an entirely different note, have you considered running for adminship? I've seen you around in a variety of places, and you always seem to be helpful, polite, and knowledgeable. I think you should consider running. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
toki!
mi lukin toki pona. epiku! QoopyQoopy (talk) 01:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- @QoopyQoopy: pona a! sina sona ala sona e ma pona pi toki pona lon lipu Siko?kin o sona e ni: tan lawa WP:ENGLISHPLEASE mi pana e sama toki Inli lon toki sina kepeken kipisi {{tooltip}}. sina ken ante a sama toki. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- I meant that I saw toki pona on your old signature and I thought it was cool :)
- I am, by the way! Nice to see another toki pona speaker on Wikipedia. QoopyQoopy (talk) 02:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- @QoopyQoopy: Ah. You dropped an "e", then.
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Well cool, say hi on the server sometime. I'mwan Tansin—ken tonsi li ken jan
there. Also, if you aren't aware of https://wikipesija.org, check that out! I'm not too active there atm, but it's a fun project, with a long-term goal of getting WMF backing. Which is a long shot, but would be really cool. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- @QoopyQoopy: Ah. You dropped an "e", then.
How to best use WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE arguments?
Howdy! Sorry if this is not the right place to go; however, I've come across your work in RfD before and I ended up stumbling upon your user page and saw your opinion about BLPs and I also fundamentally agree. There was a recently closed AfD that closed at keep where WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE was part of the discussion. I came across it not long after it closed and I was seeing some argue that WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE should generally go through WP:VRT, which makes sense; however in this instance, there was an edit, removed from the page, from who I credibly believed to be the subject of the page. I had some evidence for this, but the AfD had already closed by the time I had gathered the information as to why I think the person was legitimately the subject. I guess my question is, is there a good way to invoke a WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE argument at AfD without having to go through WP:VRT. I think that lots and lots of people to whom WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE apply likely don't understand the procedures of wikipedia and an edit that can very likely be attributed to the subject specifically requesting deletion should probably be taken as a valid. I apologize if this has turned into a bit of a rant; I just was not entirely sure where to go and seeing your opinion on BLPs, I thought your talk page would be a good place to go. I do not plan on taking the AfD to WP:DRV, so I am hoping this does not count as WP:Canvassing. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 23:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Disagree with close.
Hi. Just wanted to notify you that I disagreed with your close for the following reasons. Please consider reopening. Thanks. Huggums537 (talk) 10:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Tamzin!
Tamzin,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 00:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.
It's spelled "lead" (smile)
This is the second most important issue on Wikipedia.[Citation Needed]
The most important issue may be found at User:Guy Macon/On the Diameter of the Sewer cover in front of Greg L’s house. :)
Please see:
- "The fact is, in none of the dozens of old journalism books that I have examined — none of them — spell it “lede.... I can’t find the definitive first reference to “lede” but it doesn’t start appearing in journalism books until the 1980s."
- "I am writing this essay... to help dispel (or should I say “dis-spell”) a preference for “lede” over “lead” to describe the beginning or introduction of a news story."
-- Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 00:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Guy Macon Alternate Account: Mom's a journalist, Dad was a journalist, Dad's parents and sister are/were journalists. Pretty sure I'd get disowned by three and haunted by two if I ever even thought to spell it "lead". Like... Ewwww. How do you even tell what that means? Articles don't have leads, any more than they have golds or irons. "Lead" is a bad word in general. My first few days of playing Minecraft, I thought that the "lead" (leash) was like, supposed to be a piece of lead (Pb) somehow. They really led me on. (Look closely and you'll also catch the occasional hed, graf, and kome in my edit summaries.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Did you not find the evidence in the linked pages that lede is a recent neologism and the lack of evidence of it being widely used by journalists before the late 1970s compelling? Send those two links to your journalist relatives. You might be surprised at their reaction.
- In many cases it hinders communication if we don't use the same spelling or grammar. Yes, you can decide to use a few non-standard fleemishes and the reader can still gloork the meaning from the context, but there ix a limit; If too many ot the vleeps are changed, it becomes harder and qixer to fllf what the wethcz is blorping, and evenually izs is bkb longer possible to ghilred frok at wifx. Dnighth? Ngfipht yk ur! Uvq the hhvd or hnnngh. Blorgk? Blorgk! Blorgkity-blorgk!!!! --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 05:30, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- (Talk page enjoyer) Even if "lede" is a neologism, I think it's better. Easily distinguishable, while phonetically the same to the pronunciation of "lead" used for the same purpose. If that puts me on a slippery slope to the tower of Babel, so be it. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 05:41, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- In many cases it hinders communication if we don't use the same spelling or grammar. Yes, you can decide to use a few non-standard fleemishes and the reader can still gloork the meaning from the context, but there ix a limit; If too many ot the vleeps are changed, it becomes harder and qixer to fllf what the wethcz is blorping, and evenually izs is bkb longer possible to ghilred frok at wifx. Dnighth? Ngfipht yk ur! Uvq the hhvd or hnnngh. Blorgk? Blorgk! Blorgkity-blorgk!!!! --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 05:30, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thank you Tamzin for your diligence in dealing with my issue Marvelcanon1 (talk) 03:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
Thanks, Marvelcanon1! Just do remember what I said about copyrights, okay? :)
I see that you're doing some good work in a topic area that we are really lacking in content on, so I would hate to see something like that become an obstacle for you. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:35, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Some advice
Hi Tamzin
I wondered if you could help, im relatively new to wikipedia and appreciated your help in changing my name.
I am having an issue with this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Kavanaugh, if I write anything remotely positive on this page it is removed by the editors throast and swift502 - they have deleted everything of the original page and highlighted every bad article ever written on this person and will not allow me to add anything to the page that is positive.
Is there a contact I can raise this with, I am not asking the removal of any credible articles on there part I just dont know how I can add anything in as they remove it.
Garen67541 (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Garen67541: If you feel that the page is unduly negative, the solution should be to remove that negative material, not to add equally unbalanced positive material. Now, I don't think I ever asked you if you have a conflict of interest with Kavanaugh, but from a few things you've said and done, I've assumed that you do. If you do, you should disclose this before continuing to edit about him. Regardless, I think the best step forward would be for you to raise your concerns on the talk page and request edits as needed, rather than adding or removing things yourself directly. For instance, Throast is right that what you added in this edit is too promotional in tone and has sourcing issues, but a sentence or several about people's parents is appropriate, and perhaps a less promotional, better-soruced version of the same content could be added. (Sidenote: Is one columnist's determination that he doesn't have a degree enough to put it in the encyclopedia's voice? Columnists aren't subject to standard editorial review, so I'm not sure—like actually not sure, not "just asking questions" not sure. But might be something to raise.) If, after trying to work things out, you feel that the talkpage is still skewing toward an unduly negative tone (emphasis unduly... sometimes the coverage of someone really does just slant negative and there's only so much we can do about that), you can post to the biographies of living persons noticeboard. And again, if you do have a conflict of interest, please disclose this. Thanks. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Garen67541:
they have deleted everything of the original page
: "We" have not. I'm getting tired of the antagonization. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Information on his early life, his philanthropic endeavors and awards, all of which you would probably view as "positive" coverage, remain on the page because this information is verifiable. Information that was unverifiable (in most cases due to poor sourcing) was rightly removed. As Tamzin notes, if coverage slants "negative", this will unavoidably be reflected in the Wikipedia article (more on that thought: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing). Tamzin, regarding the UCLA degree, the claim by the columnist has been attributed in prose. Not a single reliable source I could find verifies that Kavanaugh actually graduated. They either claim he "attended" or "dropped out". I've added a New Yorker source to back up this claim. Throast (talk | contribs) 15:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)- thank you, yes I can confirm I do not have a conflict of interest.
- Regarding the negative press im not disputing that, merely that I feel every piece I try to add you say the source is unreliable when they are well know respected publications.
- And regarding his UCLA numerous articles I attached say the UCLA graduate, the article you posted only says I investigated, he didn't - it doesn't elaborate to say how he knows he didn't or what he investigated so I dont see how that is any evidence.
- Garen67541 (talk) 15:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Garen67541: This sounds like something the two of you should discuss on the article's talkpage, same as any other content dispute on Wikipedia. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Garen67541:
- If a person has a negative life, his article will have negative content. Wikipedia is not a place to glamour people and hide their bad works. Buræquete (talk) 09:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Thank you, Itcouldbepossible. I've removed a few gifs from your message and collapsed it; please take no offense, I just don't like having auto-playing media in my userspace, and also don't like it taking too long for people to scroll through my talk page. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 05:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
RfD
Thanks for your !vote and thoughts on the OmniScriptum RfD. I wouldn't mind splitting the imprints and the authors into separate nominations (though with the caveat that there may be some that could be either), but I'm not sure how to split them into smaller groups – I could try to separate out the possibly-ambiguous ones, but that would still be a judgement call that wouldn't necessarily avoid "keep some, delete others" !votes. Do you have any specific thoughts on how they could be divided up? (Asking here to avoid clutter and potential confusion.) – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts: Well, some could be put in pretty big bundles, like the 10 "Just Fiction" variants. Others—I know this is a drag—it might be better to just nominate one at a time. But it's what 1234qwer1234qwer4 and I have done with redirects with extraneous quotation marks. It's what I have done with "<city> <sport> Team" redirects (which I need to get back to doing, actually). There's a benefit to the itemized/lightly-bundled approach, which is that if there's a clear consensus after a couple RfDs that redirects of a certain kind should be kept, then you can skip them as you go through the list. Sometimes RfD works on a bit of a common law model in that way. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for this – I've withdrawn the RfD and will take this into account when renominating. The first thing to do, though, will probably be to determine whether there's a consensus for the list and extensive table of imprints recently restored to the article. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
RK777713 SPI
Hey, I don't know if the ping didn't go through or if you're just exhausted with the situation (which I would totally understand), but I've added yet another suspected sock to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RK777713 if you'd like to take a look. I'm letting you know because I feel you're the only clerk who is already familiar with the relevant background. Throast (talk | contribs) 16:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Throast: Indeed no ping. Pings have to be on new lines with a new signature (defined as whatever matches
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), so this didn't send one. See Help:Notifications and Help:Fixing failed pings. You can set Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo to notify you when a ping succeeds or fails. Anyways, thanks for letting me know; will look when I'm able to.:)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:10, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thanks
Thanks for the reminder about tagging redirects like Enthusiasts when manually adding them at RfD, guess I forgot that one! And your setindex at C12H18BrNO2 looks just fine. Cheers, Mdewman6 (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Reverted edit
Hey Tamzin! I noticed you reverted my edit to Among Us. My apologies for not reading the citation, I had assumed you were basing it off of the bracket but I see that you were really basing it off the citation. Would it be alright if I removed the link since there currently is not an article for the Navy's esports team? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Blaze Wolf: No worries. We all make mistakes. As to the link: Per WP:REDLINK, such a link should be kept unless you think that the Navy team is non-notable. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Taking a quick look at a google search. It probably is notable. However I'd rather not work on creating a page for it right now. I'm planning on working on the draft for the new Kirby game that comes out if my undeletion request is fulfilled since I think that will become notable in due time (and I honestly prefer working on articles for video games). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Blaze Wolf: And it's perfectly fine to not work on it. But the beauty of redlinks is that they serve as a reminder to anyone reading the article that that's something we should have an article on but don't. So if not you who creates it, perhaps someone else will. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understandable. I just don't like seeing redlinks in articles as it invokes the feeling of incompleteness (even though articles are never complete) and bothers me. However per WP:REDLINK I'll leave it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Also, not asking you to fulfill the undeletion quest but do you know how long it usually takes for an undeletion request to be fulfilled or denied? I'm doing my best to be patient although I see other undeletion requests below mine being fulfilled while I"m waiting for mine to be answered. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Blaze Wolf: I'm not too familiar with REFUND, but your request appears to be the oldest pending one there that doesn't have a reply, so I doubt it will be too much longer. Maybe one of my admin talkpage watchers will take note of this and take a look. But it'll happen sooner or later, one way or another. We're all volunteers here, and all that jazz. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Alright thanks for letting me know. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Blaze Wolf: I'm not too familiar with REFUND, but your request appears to be the oldest pending one there that doesn't have a reply, so I doubt it will be too much longer. Maybe one of my admin talkpage watchers will take note of this and take a look. But it'll happen sooner or later, one way or another. We're all volunteers here, and all that jazz. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Also, not asking you to fulfill the undeletion quest but do you know how long it usually takes for an undeletion request to be fulfilled or denied? I'm doing my best to be patient although I see other undeletion requests below mine being fulfilled while I"m waiting for mine to be answered. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understandable. I just don't like seeing redlinks in articles as it invokes the feeling of incompleteness (even though articles are never complete) and bothers me. However per WP:REDLINK I'll leave it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Blaze Wolf: And it's perfectly fine to not work on it. But the beauty of redlinks is that they serve as a reminder to anyone reading the article that that's something we should have an article on but don't. So if not you who creates it, perhaps someone else will. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Taking a quick look at a google search. It probably is notable. However I'd rather not work on creating a page for it right now. I'm planning on working on the draft for the new Kirby game that comes out if my undeletion request is fulfilled since I think that will become notable in due time (and I honestly prefer working on articles for video games). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Echo test 2
Hi, I'm Example. Example (talk) 00:00, 1 January 2000 (UTC)
- @Example: No you're not. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Echo test 3
Hi, I'm Example. (talk) 00:00, 1 January 2000 (UTC)
- @Example: No you're not. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Am too. (talk) 00:00, 1 January 2000 (UTC)